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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:46 PM
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Culture clash as American school bans kilt
Culture clash as American school bans kilt
WILL SPRINGER

THE NICKNAME for Missouri is the "Show Me State", which is to mean that people from America's conservative heartland are stalwart, a bit stubborn and have a devotion to common sense. The stalwart and stubborn aspects of the state moniker might explain what happened when a school principal confronted one of his students who was dressed in a kilt.

Nathan Warmack is a popular student at Jackson High School. The 18-year-old is an outstanding defensive lineman on the American football team and - at 6ft, 4in and 250lbs - you can't miss him when he walks along the school corridors.

Unintentionally, Nate has become even more recognisable in recent weeks. He attended the school's "Silver Arrow" dance in November dressed in a red kilt, the colours of his family clan. Once photos of Nate and his girlfriend were taken to mark the special occasion, the young man was told he couldn't join his fellow students inside because the kilt would cause a distraction.

<snip>

Photo of the kid with his girlfriend:



I think this principal is an ass and deserves to be severely reprimanded! The kilt is a time honored tradition and is formal attire in weddings all over this nation! It was a VERY appropriate form of attire for a formal dance!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:49 PM
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1. "cause a distraction?"
Self-expression and identity are dead in America.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:50 PM
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2. So now it's gay to be Scot? Isn't that why the principal banned the kilt?
This is so wrong on so many levels. I hope the Scots rise and defend their manhood on this one!

Even Prince Charles wears kilts!
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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:54 PM
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6. Amen!
I say the Scots are MORE masculine than most... after all, they're comfortable enough in their masculinity to wear a "dress"!

(This is coming from an Italian, by the way :D )
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:51 PM
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3. Very, extremely inappropriate dress for the dance.
No sporran. Might as well be naked.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:57 PM
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8. I wonder if he was made to remove it
Because the chain could be construed as a weapon?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:00 PM
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12. Another thing, he's wearing the wrong tartan.
he should be wearing a dress tartan. For Clan MacRae, it's this one:

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:03 PM
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15. No he isn't

The Clan MacRae traditional tartan.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:07 PM
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18. I always thought that the red tartans
(if the clan has a red tartan) could only be worn by royal members of the family.

Eh...what do I know...I'm German.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:00 PM
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11. True that
LOL
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:51 PM
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4. This is total BS
Now American's aren't allowed to embrace their heritage? I think it is awesome that this young man recognizes a sense of tradition.
I've been to many formal events where kilts have been worn.
Unreal.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:53 PM
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5. The NBA said players had to wear conservative business suits
Why not ban kilts for HS dances too? Makes about as much sense.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:57 PM
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7. This means WAR!!!
The British oppressors and occupiers banned the wearing of kilts or the possession of tartan cloth for centuries. Shall we allow the authorities in this land to do the same? :grr:

O Flower of Scotland,
When will we see your like again,
That fought and died for
Your wee bit hill and glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again?


regnaD kciN
Clan MacNeil

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Robert Cooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:05 PM
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16. It's never smart to rile a Celt ...

:evilgrin:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:44 PM
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31. Let's take it to the streets!!!!
Celtic Pride!!!!!!!

:woohoo:

XemaSab
Clan MacDonald
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Imagine My Surprise Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:57 PM
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9. If this isn't a call to the ACLU, I don't know what is!
And how conveniently close to Kansas -- that other bastion of enlightenment.
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The_Mule Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:04 PM
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27. Actually,
Jackson, MO is on the other side of the state than Kansas. It's close to Illinois and Kentucky, and not too far from Tennessee and Arkansas. It's also very close to the Trail of Tears memorial.

Sorry for the correction, I lived there for a short while.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:58 PM
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10. That's looney
A kilt can look nice worn correctly. A kid in my son's middle school band wore his last year at a concert, with the regular uniform top of black jacket, white shirt and black tie. He looked fine.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:00 PM
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13. A distraction from what, exactly?
The serious business of white kids dancing awkwardly to bad pop music spun by some cheezy DJ? Or maybe spiking the Hawaiin Punch with Everclear?
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Robert Cooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:01 PM
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14. My best friend just got married wearing his clan's kilt...
...And my step-father's wake was accompanied by a piper in -his- clan's kilt.

"distraction"? I'd like to hear him explain -that-.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:06 PM
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17. More info
Warmack explains that family members have been researching their heritage for at least four years and only recently uncovered a fascinating mystery behind their name. He says his ancestors were originally named MacRaw (Macraw), from the Clan MacRae, and that they were forced to change their name to Warmack when fleeing to America via England, apparently following the failed Jacobite uprising. (The surname Warmack is derived from the last three letters of MacRaw spelled backwards and the first three letters, "Mac", with the "k" added years later.)

Each passing kernel of information from his family's research gave Nate further excitement about his heritage. He saved up enough money and bought a traditional red Clan MacRae tartan to wear to special events.
http://heritage.scotsman.com/traditions.cfm?id=2355512005
"You can honour your heritage in Scotland," McClard is said to have told Nate, "but you can't go in here looking like a clown. This is considered proper attire in Scotland, but it's not considered proper attire in my school."
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:18 PM
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20. Since McClard said it was HIS school, I suggest that the country
taxpayers stop donating money via property taxes to McClard's school. Then I'd hold a really grand dance at the local hotel ballroom.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:18 PM
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21. I've always wanted one of these kilts:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:21 PM
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23. That is uber-sexy
:loveya:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:23 PM
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25. Me too, but my italian man legs make it an impossibility.
I just have to settle for other men wearing them.
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The_Mule Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:00 PM
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26. That's ironic!
Principal McClard doesn't like a student expressing his Scots roots.

McClard, look at your own family tree, laddy.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:14 PM
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19. The Carnegie Mellon University Kiltie Band
<>
Taken on the steps of MacHinery Hall
Bagpipers

The sound of bagpipes is a common presence at Carnegie Mellon. The university is the only one in the United States to offer bagpiping as a major. Carnegie Mellon's Pipe Band plays at major university events, such as convocation and commencement.

Carnegie Mellon University is a private research university located in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It was formed in 1967 by the union of the Carnegie Institute of Technology and the Mellon Institute of Industrial Research. The school is often referred to as CMU1 by students, staff, alumni, and locals.

Carnegie Mellon is home to the oldest drama degree program in the nation (1914). The computer science, computer engineering and drama programs are considered to be among the best in their fields. Carnegie Mellon's engineering, sciences and public policy schools are also consistently ranked highly. Other strong departments include Economics, Social and Decision Sciences, Art, Architecture and Music. CMU is renowned for its unique interdisciplinary environment and as an innovative leader in education. Carnegie Mellon is affiliated with 13 Nobel laureates across multiple disciplines.


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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:20 PM
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22. Agreed.
I even know a couple of guys who have taken to wearing kilts full time. They're both retirees, so nobody's gonna tell them to put pants on.

This principal was just waving his ignorance around for all to see.

He needs to find another line of work.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:22 PM
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24. A "distraction"? AT A DANCE?
Oh for fuck's sake, it's a DANCE, not final exams.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:05 PM
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28. Pizza Hut called....they want their tablecloth back...
Sorry, but that is one shitty kilt.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:27 PM
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29. Do you have a link?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:34 PM
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30. Man, sorry about that
I thought for sure I had included it in the OP

:blush:

http://heritage.scotsman.com/traditions.cfm?id=2355512005
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 06:26 PM
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33. Thought so
It's in SE Missouri. That's rush's home turf.

So send this to him. Let him take up this kid's cause. LOL
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:49 PM
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32. I toss a caber in the general direction of that principal!
Yeeeargh!

I've never understood how high school principals and vice principals can manage to make anything into a "distraction."

At my high school, they decided a hole in the knee of jeans was a distraction.

I hope the principal issues a formal apology for suggesting the formal dress of a Scotsman is inappropriate. And I hope the local St. Andrews guys raise a stink if they haven't already.
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