R Liberals vulnerable on the "wedge issue" separation of Church and State

I think at least half of the GOP is not entusiastic about religion and especially about it getting mixed up in Government. I don't wish the government to be legislating on morality issues that originate from religion. I don't want religion taught in public schools or promoted in the public square. Religions are mostly very domineering and that goes against everything America stands for. Supposedly America stands for Freedom, personal freedom and not domination by some religious dogma. I think most Americans feel similar to me on this issue and we need to not back off it. It covers a lot of their supposed "wedge issues" as well. Their message of hating gays is based upon religion pretty much so is the abortion issue though not quite so much. We as a free people should not be dominated by religion and if that means attacking Christmas we should not run from it... I love Christmas but I don't want my government to force it upon people. I don't want my government forcing any religious idea or icon upon us. This is an important issue and they are pressing the envelope. Does anyone think we should and can push this successfully as a wedge issue? I have no concern with religion as a whole I just don't want it mixed up with government in any fashion....especially in establishing dogmatic laws..

... how we ought to be framing the issue, in order win back control of the debate.

I hope most Americans would agree that they don't want to live under a kind of Taliban, no matter what religion the "god police" happen to be.

how we fight.

the language we use.

our authenticity in the eye and mind of the public.

we need{always} to do our marketing homework.

and stand your ground I say. Vulnerability occurs only when ones tries to waffle or play both sides.

should NOT be separate would be very upset if it ever really happened. Unless THEIR version of religion dictated the rules, they would then be crying for separation!!!!!

in the US, like in some European countries, you'll probably have a civil war. Americans aren't ready for that. Besides the actual supreme court judges would probably find it "unconstitutional".

I just saw a movie on French TV about the 100 years anniversary of the French separation of Church and State (1905). It showed how divisive the question was and how extremists from both sides tried to use the situation to their advantage. The use of force was frequent, because the Church refused to be taxed. Fundies occupated churches and schools, attacking soldiers to become "martyrs". Things settled down, mostly because of WWI. But many European countries had to wait to 1946 for a FORMAL acceptance from the Vatican.

The only thing that can be done is a PROGRESSIVE removal of religious influence in ALL state affairs. For example removal of all indications towards religion, like the Presidential oath. Let the President swear on the constitution.

it's gona take 100 years and many, many Democrat presidents. Unless the fundies revolt and are suppressed by force. Europe was "dechristianised" by force to become democratic, remember that.