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MyUncle (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:39 PM Original message |
Protest Tookie's death YES, celebrate his life - NO. |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree with you on this |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. I echo OhioBlues |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. If you knew what Becnel has done and, like her, had seen the |
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MyUncle (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Sorry, but I don't agree. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. As I said, if you knew what BECNEL had seen, you might change your |
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MyUncle (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Tookie co founded the Crips. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. You really haven't researched this at all have you? |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Thanks for the links |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Honestly, it's very interesting stuff if you really delve into it. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
43. You're really invested in this "Tookie" guy, aren't you? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
59. The Nazi Party existed before Hitler as well |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. LOL . . . are you familiar with Godwin's Law? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. ah the Nazis may have collapsed due at least as much to |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I notice you didn't address Godwin's Law |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I did address the facts |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. What I said was that without Hitler, the party did not grow |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. By 1942 the Nazis ran Germany |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Then you don't know too much history. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I am not claiming he was totally unimportant |
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6th Borough (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
37. I could be mistaken, but I believe he led the West Side Crips... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Well, you might have that impression if your only source of info |
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monobrau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. "tens of thousands" |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. No, a significant drop would result if people currently in gangs left |
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monobrau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Research? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. But...but...but...he kept Mike Farrell from putting on colors... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Geee, that was a great contribution. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Some of us possess wit and others are burdened with misplaced priorities.. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Preposterous? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:52 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. You only engage in discussions with those who agree with you |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No, I engage with those who present arguments with back-up |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. LOL . . . a peer reviewed study? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #34 |
60. Statistical studies are peer reviewed all the time |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Please provide an parallel example of a directly comparable situation |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. A directly comparable situation would be the effectiveness |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Not a valid comparison. It doesn't take into account other factors |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Some responses |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Then you haven't actually read the links. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 08:35 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. You have provided two links |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
79. Deleted message |
ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Gee, I notice that, as you have throughout this thread, you provide |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Tookie compared to Rosa Parks? Beyond quesy. Full out retch |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Actually, he wasn't compared to Parks, the size of his funeral was. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I can't agree more |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Only if you don't read what was said, since no such comparison was made. |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Then they should've compared it to the funeral of another asshole |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You didn't write the article, but you misread it, misrepresented what it |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Maybe you are right. Think Bill Clinton will show up for it? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. First you say that they compared Williams to Parks. |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Forget Intellectual honesty, lets just be plain ol' honest |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Really? I think you understimate how well respected he was |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Do you think he was well-respected as Rosa Parks? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. LOL . . . there you go twisting words again. |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I just want to know if you believe you can compare the 2 or not |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Sure there's a comparison, but not in the way you think. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
78. Where/Are you in love with Tookie? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Ah, the refuge of someone with no argument is to make |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
49. I've read all of your posts in this thread, and some of the other |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I don't talk down to you. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I know what it means, here's a link |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I think maybe the reason it sounds like I was yelling |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. The older men were kept all info to themselves, and the young |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I know they're all not ogres. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
46. Jesse Jackson shows up anywhere there is a news camera. NT |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You got that right |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
45. Intellectual dishonesty? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. It never ceases to amaze me how often people twist the English language |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
61. Actually since you are lecturing everyone else on words |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #61 |
77. LOL . . . the author? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Incidently I actually looked at an online dictionary |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Deleted message |
Cleetus (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
23. well said |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Yet another one who didn't read what the article or statement actually |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
28. All life is worthwhile and he spent most of his in jail doing good. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-15-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Well, in all fairness, I wouldn't say "most" of his life. |
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MyUncle (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 01:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. ET, your points are made well, you do know your "shit" but, |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 06:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. So what you're saying is that, in your opinion, a persons good deeds |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Another tidbit for thought . . . |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
39. "Should not be tolerated"?? While I agree that Tookie should not.... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 08:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thank you for that. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. I don't know about that |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Hmmm. Did you actually research this? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Yes |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Yes, but my question was more pertaining to Williams, not Blair and Shrub |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. I apologise |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Understood |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
52. Nothing to move on to. |
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MyUncle (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #52 |
73. I agree with you NaturalHigh. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. No, but it will be an EVENT. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Since when are funerals about the death penalty? |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-17-05 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
90. Funerals are usually about celebrating someone's life |
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