THE Joe Wilson donated for a copy of my Film "Rove's War" I'm Pumped!

Having a GREAT DAY today!

Woke up this morning to discover that someone named Joseph Wilson had donated to receive a copy of my 2 DVD set film "Rove's War", the definitive Chronology of PlameGate on DVD that's at Takebackthemedia.com, our site..

Well, my wife looked into the address and email, etc and we discovered that, yep, it's THE Joseph Wilson, literally the STAR in my film (well, him and Congressman Conyers) - so that was very cool.. I wrote to him and thanked him for his class, his work and Patriotism and offered sympathy for the Trying times he and his lovely wife having been going through, and that I wasn't going to let him donated for a film about HIM :)

So that made my DAY - he and his wife are my personal HEROES and may change the political landscape and bring on the Nixxonization of BUSH CO, literally - this was one of the reasons that I flew from Hawaii all the way to DC to film the Downing Street Minutes Hearing held by Congressman Conyers (well, that, and the fact that at that point NO MEDIA was going to cover it), there are points in history that are crossroads, and I still think that THAT HEARING was a changing point, and of course our Hero Joseph Wilson was there (as well as Cindy Sheehan, another heroine, Ray McGovern, a great guy 27 years in the CIA, and John Bonifaz who's POUNDED the Bush Co Legally for a long time, and in the end may be responsible for the creation of what could led to Bush's Impeachment)..

These are Heady days my friends, let's hope we're witnessing the downfall of the Republican party, it takes a lot of pain to grow sometimes, and we've had the pain - now it's time to shed the SKIN and GROW, and the Skin we need to shed is BUSH CO :)


Plus firedoglake, who are the premier investigators on the whole Plame Outing were kind enough to have a look at my film and POSTED about both the "Rove's War" DVD set, and the "Merry Fitzmas" flash..
I have a feeling that Joseph Wilson probably reads firedoglake since they seem to have the BEST info on the Plame outing, and hey, THEY LIKED my film (H2OMan gave me a great review as well - he NAILED Hadley on another thread here) Here's the link to firedoglake:

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/

It's brought to you by the same folks who did the Rove's War DVD(http://www.takebackthemedia.com), a really informative and well-researched 120 minute look at Traitorgate and everything they hoped to cover up in the "War on Wilson." Lots interesting bits -- ARAMCO has an oil tanker named "Condoleezza Rice," who knew? It's a very good primer for everyone who's still scratching their head and wondering how it all got so complicated.

They also mentioned the "Merry Fitzmas" Flash which I created, all the info is below, ENJOY if you haven't seen this :)

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Decorate YOUR FITZMAS TREE - an Interactive Animation

MERRY FITZMAS! I wanted a Fitzmas Tree ever since I heard the term invented on the Web, and NOW by god I have one, and you can too..

I have labored long and hard on this Interactive Animation (Flash - you may need the most recent flash plugin on your system - at least 6 I think, here's the Macromedia link for player/plugins: http://www.macromedia.com/downloads/#players ) - WHERE YOU can actually DECORATE YOUR OWN FITZMAS TREE, by dragging and dropping Ornaments and dropping them on the FITZMAS TREE - if an Ornament sticks to your "hand" it may be because of the slimy people encased within, just give it another mouse click on the tree to shake it off

There are two Flashes that interact with each other - one is the Fitzmas Tree itself, with a box FULL of decorations, the decorations being the Subjects of Indictments, Investigations, etc - something your Right Wing brother-in-law might be interested in knowing, lots of fun facts

If you click (click all over the page, lots of surprises on it) on the TITLE's of the Flashes you can go between the Tree itself, and another Flash that will load up with all the Decorations and an explanation of WHO they are, and WHAT they did.. for folks that don't know much about the Plame Outing they can get educated on the Ornaments and then click on back to the Tree and Decorate the Hell out of it

Here's two links, the first goes to the Fitzmas Tree itself, but like I said, you can click to the other Flash for more info, or a pal can get more info and Trim the Tree after.. Try this one First:

http://www.tbtmradio.com/flash/merryfitzmas.swf

or you can check out the Ornaments (but maybe miss some surprises where the Presents are) at This Link:

http://www.tbtmradio.com/flash/merryfitzmasornaments.swf

In case you're wondering what that building is in the background, it's the HAGUE, I thought it rather appropriate - and the guys in ORANGE, well, I think you'll recognize them

So ENJOY if you will, and do me a favor, keep this KICKED Please - a labor of love, but no sleep for about Three days either.. Pass it around to anyone you think might be interested, and Let me Know what YOU think of this work if you would..

And don't forget to open the presents under the FITZMAS TREE, I wrapped them special just for YOU..

glad to see you around the boards more lately too :bounce:

I personally LOVED my copy of Rove's War.

Rice starts whispering in Bush's ear and then leads him into the bathroom where you hear funny noises, like in a barn..

What? You didn't get that part? I must add that immediately :)

THANKS, very glad you enjoyed it!

They are TOTALLY worth the price.a virtual treasure trove of info...great work...:toast:

that people are enjoying the DVDs, no major complaints yet, one person had a dud DVD and I replaced it..

There actually IS a LOT of info in that film, that's why it clocks in at 120 minutes, but for any political junkie it makes for interesting viewing, and then I put in some humor for those that would nod off during a regular documentary, a lot of Fun in the film too :)

Thanks!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
Who's gonna do five-or-ten?
We're thinking once again
Of handcuffs and of orange jumpsuits aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Indictments on every score
But the prettiest sight to see
Is the scowl on Darth Cheney
At the slammer's front door.

A warrant or writ, a subpoena that fits
Is the wish of Barney and Ben;
The thought of Turdblossom hung up like a possum
Is the hope of Janice and Jen;
And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for court to start again.

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
There's an defendant who doesn't want to tell;
One in the White House as well --
The felony kind that doesn't mind the law!
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Soon the bells will start
And the thing that will make them ring
Is the indictment that we sing,
Right within our hearts!

crispini

I'm looking forward to my copy, too!

and reaches out to touch everything else outward.

:wow:

Your account is inspiring.

:toast:

It really is excellent, Symbolman. I hosted a "Rove's War" party and it was a great success! You rock!

Peace.

Tell me more please, did you have a nice intermission (I wanted to throw that old "Let's go out to the Lobby" song with the dancing popcorn boxes in the film for the intermission but couldn't find a good copy) - and everyone had coffee and cookies, etc?

How many folks?

Man that is SO COOL, I thank you wholeheartedly - wish I could attend one..

Actually there's a coffee shop here that's in the process of lining up a showing it and it should be fun - Medea Benjamin just showed up here in the same coffee shop to promote her new book, what a gal - known her for a long time - tho I've never been around when she's been popped by the cops :)

What an entrance Code Pink makes, eh?

Tell me tell me, just the "dirt", Dearie, as my mom used to say :)

and Thanks!

Beer, wine, cheese--munchie stuff! Had nine people over and one friend went home with the movie to pass on to a group she thought would be interested in viewing it. Apparently, it made its rounds and is back with me, safe and sound. LOL!!! A good time was had by all. You should have heard the shouting at my TV!!! At least I'm not the only one who does it...

Peace.

I don't know how many bricks I've wanted to hurl through my TV :)

That sounds SO COOL, thanks for doing that, awesome, killer, cool!!

You da best!

I wonder if he reads DU? My Lord, what if he's a member?

for waving his name around :)

Hope he realizes it's not to USE him, but to Praise him - hopefully he'd know that I'm not giving any personal info out, would never do that..

I bet he does read the DU tho, heard that Olbermann does, and I'm pretty sure that Jon Stewart or at LEAST some of his writers do..

link where you can read about each ornament!!! Passing it on....

You must be very talented. I will check out your site and info as soon as I am done writing this!!!!
Sounds like you have something very worthwhile there! Congratualtions!
:yourock:

But JOE is the MAN! (So are Conyers and Valerie, wait a minute, okay, Brass Ovaries then!) Think of what the couple has gone through, we can't even begin to imagine, eh? BUT, I honestly think that they are the Clarion Call we were all waiting for, every time one of us said hopefully, "THIS will be the Thing that Brings Bush DOWN!" we've all been sorely disappointed, at least I have - it seemed like the game is SO RIGGED that we can't find the damn loose scale in the Dragon to slam the sword into (This is a "metaphor" Mr Gonzales, We mean NO harm to any official) and Slay this 9 headed Monster..

Everytime you cut a head off it seems to grow 5 more..

But the Downing Street Minutes and Plamegate go hand in hand, they PROVE each other - and that's what I did with the film, used footage from both issues to show how this is a SLIMETIGHT case (along with the fine work of so many websites, Congressfolks, and individuals like John Bonifaz) and that with a BULLDOG like Fitzgerald there's at least a CHANCE that the Average American will "get it", that the media won't be able to ignore it.

One of the reasons that I created the "Merry Fitzmas" Flash was to promote in a simple way what the hell is going on, so that even "joe sixpack" will get it, and GET MAD.. plus if work like this "sneaks" into the Media under the radar like a worm virus in a computer, that MANY people will get the information - sort of quarterback sneak into the Zone :)

I've always advocated taking the media back by USING the Media against itself, and THANKS to places like the DU *I* have been able to amass the incredile information (provided from posters like H2OMan, and UnderstandingLife and others) available HERE to push it further OUT with films and flashes.

So don't forget the Donate to the DU during the Holidays as well, think about it, the MEDIA cannot Afford the Investigative powers available right HERE, the sheer numbers of passionate individuals that Dig DEEP, the breadth of mindsets that make us all better with the Passion of Tens of THOUSANDS..

No One in the Media can afford what we can do here.

And I have to thank each and every one of you for "getting my Back", for donating so I can make the work that gets out there in the Public - together we've done some incredible things, forced the media to behave, to retract - with the help of DU'rs Takebackthemedia.com was able to DEMAND that Advertisers LEAVE Rush Limbaugh, it worked, and it worked GREAT - some left in the same afternoon!

(By the way, I'd like to do that again after the new years, anyone up for that? This time we'll create a map of all 50 states and methodically take Limbaugh DOWN, state by state, city by city, advertiser by advertiser..)

So give yourselves a pat on the back, YOU are the ones making this all happen - I'm just the passionate idiot who puts this kind of stuff together in a format that the public will swallow..

I love you guys, between you and the DU I've had my sanity saved multiple times.

And I hope the Media DOES pick this up, that would be KILLER :)

My hat's off to you ALL, and Merry Fitzmas to all!

you all are true patriots! :)

You've worked hard. You've produced excellent work. Now the big payoff! Good for you! Congrats! :toast:

Recommended.


Peace.

:-)

But, how do you know he wanted it announced to everyone? Sometimes, these things can be sensitive for public figures. Just sayin'

"I saw Joe Wilson on an airplane and he was reading a Book I wrote!"

It's not like I'm announcing, "Hey Mick Jagger just bought my ex-wife's battery operated sex toy on E-Bay for $35!" :)

I don't think he'll be upset, if he is I'll apologise - I think worse things have happened, like having his WIFE exposed and this is what it's all about.

The film shows footage I shot of Mr Wilson DEFENDING what honorable actions, like what he's said and done against critics, I think he'll like that.. It's my hope that he tells Congressmen to watch it, as I'm offering it FREE to Congress folks, even while I'm basically broke.

Someone's gotta do it.

It was just a thought that occurred to me. I know he and his wife have been through MUCH worse, and I'm really glad the story is being told.

not my point, hence the smiley face in the post :)

It's really all about Wilson and his wife, and the film is all about THAT and Them..

No problem my friend.

:thumbsup:

and possible the Year Before ...

Symbolman I posted my review
here on DU awhile back .

It's a must see .

joshing ya, too flattered to know what to say.. didn't you see "Farenheit 911"? Michael Moore made 200 million on that one - when I think of the trouble I could cause with just ONE of Michael Moore's millions :)

I'm amazed at the outpouring of Good Reviews (I never got to see your Review PP, do you still have the link or the text?) and it warms my heart -

I did work hard on this, more than anything I've done in the past 4 years - for one thing I wanted was to get it RIGHT, to be correct, as one person said, it was "balls on ACCURATE" and THAT is number one..

I think that comes across in the film, it hurt my brain reading so much and trying to simplify..

Speaking of simplifying - In case no one has ever seen it, I took the art of writing/video itself and reduced it to it's basic message, the work where I won the award in Hollywood, beating out over 640 animators worldwide (and I've even made a book form, which David Allen has, and might publish) with my animation called "Boy Meets Girl" -- this work/book is why I call myself "Symbolman" :)

It's at http://www.symbolman.com kinda fun..

PP, I love ya, and I thank ya, but I think you might want to watch "Spartacus" if you want to see a REALLY good movie this year :)

:hug: I like lots of information .

It was really Hard to chop it down to 2 DVDs - I KNOW you're not supposed to make something that's plain old information more than 45 to 55 minutes long (like for TV, etc) and that people will get bored to death after that time frame..

But I watched this thing over and over, and having seen it a million times during editing it I couldn't believe that I STILL liked watching it, and I added enough humor, both brash and subtle so that it has a nice flow and let's people "breath" while they are watching..

Films are like carnival rides, you want the RUSH, but if it's all RUSH (like a lot of stupid movies today) then you get desensitized and fairly quickly - unless you're Schwartzenegger :)

I get so tired of documentaries with some person, an Office scene with a Plant, a Monitor, a bookcase, drapes (maybe a flag) a desk, etc and soon while you are watching the faces seem to be the only thing that changes and after a while it's like a lot of droning.. there are some real dogs out there in the Progressive community that do that (just my opinion, I get bored quick), some film makers will film a protest and all you see is a parade of giant puppets, people beating on 5 gallon ex restaurant mayonnaise buckets, shirtless guys beating on out of tune cheap guitars, etc, etc..

Wish some of these folks would pump it UP a little.. Moore has a great feel in his films, and I like the fact that he brought back the good old Animation scenes to Documentaries, make them FUN :)

I'm SO happy to hear that you thought so well of the film, it IS packed with info,

You're the greatest!

He will love it!

Congrats to you!

What a rush that must have been.

To anyone that does not have a copy of Rove's War, you owe to yourself to donate and get a copy now. It blows the dark clouds away, while showing the raw truth as to what is happening to our country.

Thank you for your hard work and passion, symbolman!

for the wonderful review of it, love hearing it, after working so hard strokes really do help..

It's like when I watch a band (having been in them I know that there is a connection between the band and the audience, as a band member you are Watching certain people, if they react well, you PLAY better..) I try to clap as LOUD as I can, hoot, etc so that THEY Play better..

We really DO better when inspired like the folks do here for each other.. there should be more of that in the world, eh?

Thanks!

I have to say, when my copy arrived and I saw those 2 DVDs, I thought: "This is going to be a long evening in front of the TV" -- but the time just FLEW by, and before I knew it, the time had come to switch disks!

That, to me, is a sign of a well-made film.

And although I had already read essays and articles on what a nasty, destructive thing the Bush administration had done in "Plamegate", I didn't really get a chill about it until you presented the repercussions.

One of my co-workers is starting to get interested in politics, and she stopped by my office a couple of days ago, asking "who is this Karl Rove guy" -- thanks to you, I had the source right there! I handed her the film (I got one of those special double cases for it, so I would also have a place to store the letter you sent with the DVDs -- I stuck one of David Horsey's Rove cartoons on the cover).

Oh, and the place where I bought the case is owned by a local "Democrats Abroad" organizer. When I told her what the case was for, she was very interested, and I promised to let her have a look at the film next time I'm downtown.

that's GREAT NEWS! As an aside I used to work in a store called "Seattle Art" the art store that supplied all the local folks so I met a lot of cartoonists there, one was Horsey, and David (and others) would stand right there and DRAW ME cartoons! It was amazing, even met Gary Larson (tried to sell him one of my sculptures I had in the store, didn't go for it) but he drew me the little dorky kid with the glasses.. it was a fun job.

Hell, I was hanging out with some of the Seattle bands that wen Platinum there, should have left my wife and started playing with some of these guys, but I'm stupid :)

I REALLY appreciate you handing it around - if the Democrats Abroad wants a copy I'll supply one for them, sounds like a good outlet that will reach many people in the right places..

And your pal getting interested in politics will get an EYEFULL from this movie that's for sure :)

I thank you so much for doing all this - wish I could hand these out to everyone for Free, leave them laying around in laundromats and dentist offices, etc..

Man, that is SUCH good news, makes my day all that better - all these wonderful reviews are making this nearly better than FITZMAS! :)

I ended up using the Horsey cartoon of the mechanized tank with Bush's face on it, driven by Perle, Wolfowitz, and Co., on one side of the DVD case ...

And the more recent one of Karl Rove sitting inside Bush's open skull as the front pic. (I'd post links right now, but I'm late for a meeting -- I'll do it later this afternoon.)


Re: Gary Larson, the secret seems to be ... invertebrates. An entomologist friend of mine gave him a preserved specimen of one of her study animals, in a little glass vial, and he wrote her afterwards and thanked her delightedly ....

PNAC revealed:





Bush's brain:

and running off to live in the jungle with Jane Goodall to study chimps - plus he's really into Jazz guitar, was taking lessons to learn that :)

I've got a wonderful cartoon of Rove taking a leak a rug on the floor of the white house, looking over his shoulder at you, and the rug is a CIA logo - might be fun for you, just found it..

That's so great of you to pass the film around, can't thank you enough

but THANKS again!

:headbang:

As for Joe Wilson, that man will never receive enough credit if he lives to be a thousand. We would have nothing if it wasn't for him. He may single handedly be the one who started the road to impeachment for the maggot infested slug that invaded our White House.

I can't thank him enough.

Salute to both of you :patriot: :patriot:

Mr Wilson and his wife are going to be Sainted in the next life.. and Bush/Cheney CO, well, as Ricky Ricardo used to say,

"Luceee, You got a Lot of 'Splainin' to Dooo!" :)

If I recall correctly, Will Pitt recently wrote a post for Joe Wilson, thanking DU for all we've done.

Now I'm going to your website to order a copy of your DVDs. Thanks for all you do Symbolman. :yourock:

You know you do good work, so don't be too surprised that it's getting noticed.

Sonia

:toast: and mucho continued success!!

I also saw your Fitzmas Tree at FDL. You sure do get around. :)

:thumbsup:

BTW, the Fitzmas Tree was a riot! Thanks and great work.

Thanks, the tree IS fun, even tho I made it, *I* still play with it myself :)

BTW, I LOVE the graphic at the bottom of your post, MY FAVORITE SHOW - I could watch it all day long, MST3000 is the Kind, baby :)

Here's my new one, anyone wants to use it, feel free

Ask him for feedback and pls post it on DU. Hell, invite him over here. I want to buy the man a drink.

if he'd let me know of any anomalies in the film, HE should know of all people what the hell is going on, if my Chronology is correct, tho I'm pretty sure that 99 per cent is factual, but an insider's view is priceless :)

He is Definately the MAN..

You didn't get so excited when I donated.:evilgrin:

I did the Happy Happy Joy Joy Dance all day that day :)

Oops, I just "outed" you, that you donated for a set of DVDs, evil USING bastard that I am :) (I can't put the Devil icon here, how do you do that?)

Many many thanks!

Listen, in all seriousness, I am THRILLED Joe and Valerie are going to see the video. I haven't received mine yet, but the trailer is KILLER! You are a treasure!

YOU'RE a Treasure, so there :)

Love that name Punkingal, hilarious, I don't know whether it means you're into Punk music or are raised on a farm with a pumpkin patch :)

and it's my New York Italian husband's nickname for me.

sounds like you got a keeper there.. I was raised on a farm too.. we raised cats, millions of them, but no one wanted them because they all had a million cats too :)

Kidding, but not..

cutenickname, sounds like one of the nicknames my dad would have assigned, seven kids and they all got nicknames except for me, mine was my ENTIRE NAME, and you know what that means when a parent calls you by your WHOLE name :)

A terrific person, always been a political activist, for the environment, the homeless, and gay rights, among others, and he is very anti-war. (He just about went nuts when we went into
Afghanistan....said it was just what Bin Laden was counting on.) And he is about to become a big fan of symbolman, because he is getting your film, ROVE's WAR, for Christmas!!!!!

And I'm glad about your nickname, or lack thereof....that means you always were testing the waters, a fighter, and that's why you are out there doing such good work for us now.

yeah, I was INCENSED when they went into Afghanistan, your man is right, Bin Laden has WON, gotten everything he wanted, wouldn't be surprised if he and Noriega are sitting on a beach sucking down marguirtas somewhere on the Carlyle money..

Besides I got drafted in 71 and I saw too much death and mayhem already, war is wrong, period.

THe russians Vietnam was Afghanistan, they gave up and moved on..

My nickname comes from my Book (a 68 pager that I'm working on getting published) that I 'wrote' long ago in the 80's called "Symbolman" - used to sit around Seattle coffee houses and tell people, "I'm writing a Book with NO Words.." and they'd say "SURRRRE, you are.." :) but then when they saw the book people would all gather around and start puzzling out the symbols, sitting next to one another they took on new meaning and then the next symbol added to the meaning until your realised you're reading a STORY.. :)

THe book used only symbols (some international) to tell an entire story, a saga.. sounds like it's impossible but it's not, I reduced the concept of Story and language down into it's simplest components.. people don't realise that words are "pictures", each letter is a picture, and all strung together they create a symbolsystem that runs our brains.. propaganda folks know how this works.. Motherhood, puppies, etc will sell anything..

So I made a flash animation of a section of my book called, "Symbolman: Boy meets Girl" (which any writer knows is one of the basis in every story. Boy meets Girl, boy loses Girl, Boy redeems himself and gets THE GIRL... standard..

So I actually beat out over 640 Other Animators WORLDWIDE with this animation (first use of flash actually, and it was a "cracked" program, funny part was, I WON a Free Flash 4 so THEN I was Legal :) )... and got an award in Hollywood..

Here's the site if you want to check some of it out, http://www.symbolman.com

Then I started calling myself "Symbolman", and since people kinda know me as that, if I ever get time to play my music (I've got about 50 original songs, and a digital recording unit, but no time while Bush is in office) I'll even call myself Symbolman just for fun, like Madonna, or Sting.. why not, eh? It's silly marketing BS anyway, plus some people really DO know me - strange people at political functions hear I'm symbolman and come over and HUG me, really funny..

Okay if it's a cute women, but the last man that did it, I told him, " listen.. NO ONE Touches The Symbolman, okay?" with a big smile.. I like playing with people in a fun way :)

So yeah my nickname means something too.. I do marvel at the names here and wonder about the story behind each name... might make a great thread really!

I appreciate your positivity, and your man is Number ONE in my book!

Hats off!

:patriot:

from you?

I like you Symbolman, but I don't think its okay to publicize who your customers are without their permission. I'll confess that I have thought of buying your video, but not at the risk that my name will be published or known.

I take privacy issues very seriously. I feel as if this post was for the purpose of promoting your video and using someone else's name to do so. Unless Joe Wilson gave you permission, or you have a written agreement with someone buying from you that you have their permission to use their name, this just isn't right.

I don't think he's going to mind if we at DU know he bought Symbolman's TERRIFIC DVDs. He probably expects it. HE IS our HERO. IMCPO.

that Robert Novak reports this news on Fox! "According to two senior White House officials, Ambassador Joseph Wilson is suspected of buying a DVD that exposes the criminal activities of Karl Rove ...."

This is a documentary that the American public should be exposed to! It is very well made, and contains much of the most important information about the build-up to the war, and the Plame scandal, that the public is entitled to know. More, it is fun to watch!

:) They come HIGHLY recommended! It would be AWESOME if Novak would "leak" the fact that Wilson bought those DVDs from Symbolman because his sales would SOAR! AND the people would get some TRUTH for a change.

The only way I can think of improving the DVDs would have been to make them longer. It is an intense documentary, that I strongly recommend to anyone interested in knowing the truth about this administration's agenda. I made a point of distributing it to people who would be showing it to college students in particular, because of it's value as an educational tool.

Just wait until he sees your DVDs! They are just wonderful and he is going to be amazed! WTG, Symbolman! Your new Christmas tree is SO MUCH FUN! Mu favorite was opening the PRESENTS! ;)

Happy Holidays to you and yours! :toast:

The voice of sanity combined with WONDERFUL Reviews is what I love to hear - I wish I could have made this a THREE DVD set H2oMan, there is SO much information and so many crooks and interactions between them that this could easily be a college course lasting months, eh? Glad to see that your're getting them to college kids, enough humor in there to keep their attention I think..

I sent Binka's son a whole Box and he's attending a University, let him know that he could pass them out, and Binka has been SO VERY GENEROUS to me, because of her I was able to fly to two events and FILM, and as a result both the DOwning Street Minutes Hearing by Conyers, AND this film were able to be made.. Ooops! I just OUTED a DU're right in front of everyone, said she was GENEROUS and EVERYTHING.. NOW I'm really gonna get it..

Pachamama, I don't agree with you, so don't donate to me - let me go on being an idiot and making FOUR YEARS of Flash political attack ads for NOTHING. I'm on the Verge of losing my HOME over my activism, literally. I don't have the money to actually BUY a REAL Christmas tree for my 1 year old's FIRST Christmas because I spend all my money fighting the Bush admin, working ALL NIGHT and sometimes ALL DAY on FLash work and film and thank god for donations or I would be at a public shelter (LITERALLY) right now. I have sent people FREE copies of this film when I have NO MONEY myself so I DO a LOT of good, a public service. If you can't appreciate that then I don't care. All I have to say to you. Period. Like I'd give out YOUR information - did the Govt OUT YOU?

in_cog_ni_to, YOU and H2OMan SO INSPIRE ME - I get just as pumped hearing you as I do getting a donation from Mr Wilson. I'm so Glad that you liked the film, a real labor of love as most film makers really never get even their costs covered, and I thank you for keeping me going both with your generosity and for getting my back right here.

Having Joseph Wilson watch this will also be helpful in that he can point out any obvious errors and I can fix those so that the product that goes out will be more TRUE and that will help those that pass it around - if he has the time, don't want to take up too much of his time, he's too much of a treasure..

Thanks for your support, without YOU there would be no ME doing THIS :)

Merry Fitzmas

:hug: I will always defend your work and you. :) I hope many, many DUers give your DVDs for FITZMAS presents. What you do is important and they will make WONDERFUL gifts. Trust me people! If you have friends who are into politics or NEED to be into politics, you cannot go wrong with Symbolman's DVDs. :thumbsup:

I'm answering this post because you make a personal statement directed to me, even though it wasn't answering what I originally posted above.

Re-read what I said....I stated that I like you and your work. Perhaps you overlooked that statement. I have also always commended your great work here on the DU. I'm sorry to hear you are in such a difficult place in your life financially. No one deserves that and especially talented people. My point however was a very specific one and frankly, I'm surprised that you wouldn't recognize the importance and validity of what I stated.

Where did I state that I don't appreciate the work you do? I merely addressed an issue which I quite frankly am shocked that you and other long time DUers fighting the criminals running our country currently wouldn't recognize: the importance of the right of privacy. An issue that should be on the minds of many in America with the recent revelations that the Pentagon and the Bush Administration using the NSA have been spying on Americans.

A few of your buddies here on DU were arguing in response to my comments that Joe Wilson is a public figure. Perhaps, but public figures have private lives and they have the right to privacy. If for example, Joe Wilson decides to go buy a porno magazine and some sex aids for him and his wife at home, is one to now assume that because he's a public figure that the retailer that sells him that has a right to publish that he purchased those from him? I don't believe so. I know that when I buy from a retailer, whether it is a bricks and mortar establishment or an online vendor, I expect them to not be publishing that I am a customer. That is not a right that I give them unless it is implied in a customer permission agreement using that site or entering that store. If Joe Wilson bought your video, emailed you (or responded to your email you sent him thanking him) and Joe Wilson said "hey, you have my permission to let everyone know that I bought your video and that I support it and I'll even give you an endorsement", then hey, that is truly awesome and you should exploit and market the heck out of that endorsement. But I just personally feel very strongly that your good work shouldn't need to avoid that very basic step of seeking someones permission first before using their name, especially if its to promote something.

Meanwhile, I would love to have your movie...but not if it meant my name and info might be used. I didn't mean to imply you would-but given that you just did with Joe Wilson, that's why I had to ask. There are a lot of people on DU that are public figures or are in positions where their identity is not wanted to be revealed. One has to feel that it would be respected. Your sarcasm in your above post about "outing Binka as a DUer" really wasn't necessary either to chastise me in my statement about the right of privacy. I guess my biggest disappointment comes in the fact that if you have ever followed my postings, you know I'm not an antagonist, I'm honest and forthright and I assumed that someone like you on the DU who knows I'm not a stranger or freeper and that you could have an honest discussion, even if it involved a point about something that maybe you overlooked without it having to be that I'm the bad guy. I really expected a response from you that would have been more along the lines of "Hey Pachamama, you point out a valid issue related to privacy. I didn't think about that". I didn't realize I'd be told that I don't matter. We are on the same side Symbolman.

It was my choice. It's your choice to bring it up. It's also your choice to make it an issue when it's obvious that it's said and done. It sounds like you want some sort of rationale or apology and they are not forthcoming - not out of rudeness but out of plain obviousness of MY choice, what was done at 50 posts on the subject was DONE Already. I'm fresh out of time machines, and if I did have one I would go back in time and introduce my Ex Wife to SOMEONE ELSE.

If Joe Wilson was to get mad at me over this, and I personally think he and his wife have been accosted WAY MORE than a thread on a board that he bought something that HE is IN, the It's ME that has to apologise to HIM. Maybe he'll be diplomatic about it :)

Hell, he may want to SUE me for the movie, I don't know.

Thanks for your thoughts and support.

to both my friends :)

:hug:

You've done good work and thankfully we have people like you out there.

Sorry to have gone down this path on the privacy issue...its just a very sensitive one to me, as I think it should be to us all.

I hope we all have a Merry Fitzmas and a Happy Fitzmas Year! :patriot:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

means a lot coming from YOU, as I know you are always on the Beam when you post, no mercy, but class the whole way :)

you used one of my graphics and now it's being seen by a lot more people than it would have been before.

I didn't know who had done it. but it was so compelling that I HAD to put it in there, it's the godawful TRUTH and one picture tells a thousand words as they say :)

Thanks for letting me get it out there and THANKS for being so Talented!

I couldn't even watch the "shock and awe" portion of the "show" (remember some of the freepers were going pop us some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the "show") as I was in the military, and anyone that's used computers could tell that the bombing was a standard GRID pattern, in which case if you knew THAT, then you knew that NO ONE was being spared..

What else you got that you want out there :)

THANKS!

spread around. Your using it makes me very happy.

:toast:

A partial group of graphics...

http://www.knology.net/~rareandfirsts/