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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:16 PM Original message |
********OFFICIAL CSPAN-2 PATRIOT ACT DEBATE THREAD PART 2********* |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. so the Dems got the 41+ votes needed? |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. i think they are at 40. one more no and it fails. YEAH! |
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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Leahy would be #41, no? |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. expect the talking heads to be on about the liberal media :P |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
101. Oh this is wonderful! |
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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. kick |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:17 PM Original message |
52-43 my count |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. They might have voted at the beginning |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. 41 No's means that they fo not have clocher... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Cloture. Cloture. Cloture. Cloture. Cloture. Cloture. Cloture. Cloture. |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. :--------) |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I take pride in ignoring it the 1st 4-5 times. ;-)) |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Note: This is NOT the actual vote on the act, it is a vote for cloture! |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Failure of Cloture mean debate continues.... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
105. Yay! |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Original message |
So Then They Need 60, right? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. i'm totally confused- do |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
60. Well, they need 60 votes to END debate on the bill |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
92. thanks, what do they need for |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. Who is left? |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. cornyn voted aye, i didn't hear the other two |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. I don't see Stabenow listed on the first thread either... |
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wtbymark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. I heard Leahy was a no |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ben Nelson of Nebraska needs to fuck off...I absolutely hate the pig |
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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Nelson of Florida voted no... good for him! |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Good :) We need him...we need him to be re-elected as well |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
108. Yay! |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. and Hagel voted NO! |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
116. Very weird |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Get rid of Nelson. Support his most promising primary opponent. |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. He is a Dem in Rep state. The whore is doing what he has to do |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. He's NOT a Democrat, his voting record shows he's a Republican and |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. I think BURR was NO, Not sure what Byrd is (Carry from the other thread) |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Somebody said Byrd voted Aye...but I'll have to double check n/t |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. She sounded like she said BURR (R)... |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. I thought I heard Byrd say aye early on in the voting, but I could be |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. I guess I heard wrong...WHEW!!!!!! Byrd - NO! |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Yes he did vote Aye |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. So Byrd has not voted? |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Byrd just voted NO n/t |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Byrd just voted no so I guess that other vote was someone else |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Byrd NO ! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. just heard her say Byrd no- then Allen aye...?? |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. that don't seem right, J.temp |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Burr from NC? He must have been confused, he's never voted |
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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. yeah, seriously- this would be a first for me to be proud of my senator! |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. He probably thought it was "No, don't let those evil libruls have their |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Original message |
Byrd = "No" |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. how long is this vote? |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
28. awright stragglers, i'm postponing my lunch break cuzza you.... |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. that WAS byrd and that WAS no |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
30. Mr Doublethink ..... No.... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. This is interesting. If they don't get cloture, and vote instead for 3 mo. |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:33 PM Original message |
Nope I don't see how he couldn't not sign it ..... |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. Byrd NO!!!! |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Frist must be pissed right now... He wanted to give PA to * for XMAS |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. How fun is it going to be when * has to sign the 3 or 6 month |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Original message |
Byrd, no |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. Byrd, No |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
37. I think they were successful...that report about the wiretaps probably |
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Greeby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
43. Byrd no |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
46. Allen, Yes. |
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mb7588a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
48. wtf, byrd? no?! nt. |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM Original message |
Yep. Frist just changed his vote to No |
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RSchewe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. Cloture out OUTTA HERE!! n/t |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
81. you were right- what the f. is the |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
109. Yea like what's in the cards during recess ...... ? |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. Frist = No? (Is this a stunt) |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. It's a parliamentary ploy ... prevailing side can move for reconsideration |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
51. 53-44 not even close to invoking cloture. life is good. |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Original message |
frist just changed his vote (here's why) |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
52. Frist = "No" ... parliamentary ploy and concedes failure of cloture. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I heard him mutter "it doesn't matter" in the background. |
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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Hahaha. Sucks to be you, Fristy. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. Frist is such a snake! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. He just moved for reconsideration. |
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ROakes1019 (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
55. 40+ |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
56. frist no? I'm soooooooooo confused |
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Greeby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
57. Frist no |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. Frist- no -I guess he voted no so he can bring it up for a vote again |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. FRIST NO; 47 no! YEAH! ! ! ! ! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. Yep. Maneuver. See my #72 above. |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
62. 52-47. I love the smell of filibuster in the morning. |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
63. Aye 52 -Nay 47 |
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Greeby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
67. Ayes:52 Nays: 47 |
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JohnnyCougar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
69. Yay Feingold! Way to lead the opposition!! |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
70. The President won't sign an extension. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
73. Signs of life on Capitol Hill... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Times are a-changing, |
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stop the bleeding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
74. so we are winning??? |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Better than that |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. HOLY CRAP!!!! I went to go pick up my son from school - and I come home to |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
75. When the roll call is posted, this should be the link |
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merbex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
78. You know Frist keeps giving the Senate's authority away |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. He is ceding power to the White House |
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merbex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. He's got a better chance of hitting megabucks |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. Even Dobson and crew know Frist is no leader - just someone |
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Lyle (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
79. ok- so where does this go from here? n/t |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. debate continues - filibuster!!! |
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Greeby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Spector wants to put a three-month extension |
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Idioteque (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:32 PM Original message |
It looks like Frist is gonna force a real filibuster. n/t |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. There will be some more debate sometime... |
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merbex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Feingold rules |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
82. Good - now the corporate pundit press has to talk about this defeat! |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
83. The vote was to not to end debate, thus stalling the bill! yeah! |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
89. Frist is forcing this into an actual filibuster |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
107. I hope Sen Feingold goes to the men's room before he gets to talk. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Nope, debate continues |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Is there another time limit, like before the cloture vote, it was an hour |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. That was my point |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
110. he needs time to run over to the WH to ask what he's supposed to |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
91. Jeffy is disappointed...aaaawwwhhhh. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Sessions up there whining like a two-year old |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. his voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. Awww, Poor Jeffy |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. wwwaaaahhhhh, I want my mommy...waaaaaaahhhh |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
93. Did Leahy earlier say something indicating that a 3month extension wasn't |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Frist says that the pres won't sign a short term extention. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
95. It is amazing to me that so many Rs would hang on to these |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
98. GOP not allowing temporary extension -- Scummy hypocrites |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. It needs to die - and the more people hear about the illegal wiretraps |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. whoever this bozo is on now- |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Personally I wish it would die, but we're stuck with something |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. That is EXACTLY what's going on. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
114. portions dead now? |
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ralps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
115. Corzine speaking now |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-16-05 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
119. locking |
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