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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:18 AM
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This really, really scares me.
Here's what MSNBC wrote:

Appearing angry at times during his eight-minute address, Bush left no doubt that he will continue authorizing the program.

"I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al-Qaida and related groups," he said.


When will the press and the congress realize that this man is fuckin' nuts? When he "disappears" his opponents? When he stands at a balcony shooting a rifle? When he executes someone on live television?

The REAL traitors are Tweety and Punkinhead and Wolfie and Miller and Cooper and Novak.

What the hell are we going to do about this, people? Is it time for another march on Washington??









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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:20 AM
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1. I Agree. For The First Time I'm Afraid Of These People
He must be removed from office immediately. The Congress simply has to consider impeachment. Nothing else will do.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:42 PM
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16. Me too
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 12:46 PM by Marie26
I'd talk about Bush wanting to be a dictator, or a fascist, but I never 100% believed my own feelings. It always seemed too extreme, too paranoid - I thought he couldn't really do it. But now we've got confirmation of all our worst fears. And I'm a little scared too. But I think this is actually a hopeful time. The worst time was when they were successfully operating in secrecy - but now all this stuff is coming out. The wiretap program is exposed, the Patriot Act is shot down, Congress is calling for hearings. We're scared now cause we're starting to see the full extent of the changes that Bush made, but maybe that's a good thing - the truth is coming out.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:52 PM
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26. That's a good point, thanks
This is bad but it would be worse if it kept going on without us knowing.

But the worst will be if we know it and he gets away with it and it encourages him to go even further.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:40 PM
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45. It's what we DON'T know about that worries me.
These abuses coming to light give me hope.

It also proves that "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get ya."
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:41 PM
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69. Right
Bush's speech was a definite act of defiance. He's saying that he believes he has this power, & it's up to the courts & Congress to tell him he doesn't. Otherwise he'll keep expanding his power w/o check. That's why we can't let him get away w/this, because I agree that if he does, he'll be encouraged go even further.
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:47 PM
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50. The hearings will be a whitewash ...

None of the Republican Senators have the balls to stand up to Bush in a way that would end a Republican presidency.

The hearings will be a sham meant to "sooth the masses" back into complaceny by giving them the allusion that their is a check on Bush's meglomania in Congress.






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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:37 PM
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68. Hope not
I'm not sure it'll be a whitewash. Many Republicans are angry about this, and some of them (like Specter) have enough power to create & direct the hearings. And even if it is a whitewash, that still means it'll be in the news, Democrats can ask tough questions, and Bush officials are gonna have to try to defend themselves before Congress & the American people. (And based on the "legal basis" Bush tried to invoke in his speech, they'll have a lot of trouble doing that.) After Katrina, Republicans held a hearing about the federal response. They might've intended for it to be a whitewash, but Mike Brown was such an incompetant jerk that it ended up solidifying public opinion against FEMA. The Watergate story only really broke after Congressional hearings revealed Nixon's connection. Simply revealing this info & subjecting Bush to tough questions will go a long way toward finding out what's going on here.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:21 AM
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2. Yes, something must be done.
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 11:22 AM by Jawja
If it IS a march on Washington, it has to be during the week and either surround the U.S. Capitol or the White House. Not an approved event on the Washington Mall on a Saturday. It's got to be American citizens banding together and shutting down Washington until the message gets through:

This man has violated his oath of office and the Constitution of the United States, 9-11 be damned. He cannot continue to use an attack on this country that HE LET HAPPEN as an excuse to disregard what he calls a "goddamned peice of paper." He must be removed from office NOW.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:24 AM
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3. Agreed, he is DANGEROUS, dangerous indeed. nt.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:31 PM
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41. But what can be done?
The people who can do something certainly aren't going to do anything.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:30 AM
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4. So what will Bush do or say when the next attack hits us even with
all the security measures in place? Say for example, if Katrina had been a huge bomb to blow up those levees in NO. Would anything we have in place now or then have prevented the damage and the continuing vulnerability of the people displaced?
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:31 AM
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5. After the next attack, he'll say....
"I need more authority over the intelligence services". And Repubs will back him. This "war" on terrrorism is so sweet for him; he can't lose, either way.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:38 AM
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8. He won't say anything, he'll simply declare martial law, suspend
that "god damned piece of paper" and officially declared himself "Dictator of the World" or at least of this Country.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:32 AM
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6. I just wrote to Reid saying much the same thing.....
That if Bush is not stopped, our system of government is in serious danger of becoming something
our elected officials ignore at their will.

The Press knows Bush is nuts IMO. They keep ignoring that the Emperor has no cloths, and is fact getting
more naked all the time. The bar for expectations of Presidential competence has sunk through the
floor, and the Press just keeps on pretending they are not looking at a farce.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:34 AM
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7. The MSM doesn't show the marches on Washington.
They are complicit in the destruction of our country. It's gonna take a Revolution...a HUGE Revolution.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:39 AM
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9. They would show one
if it shut down Washington.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:11 PM
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13. Maybe.
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 12:12 PM by in_cog_ni_to
:) Maybe not. I keep thinking about Eminem's "Mosh" video. Can't get it outta my mind for some reason. ;)I've got MY black hoodie, do you? :)

http://mosh.eminem.com/video/
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:40 PM
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24. I love that video
It was inspiring and I put the song on a CD I burned and took with me to DC last January.

Every day I thank the stars that I turned my back on Bush. Of course he turned his back on the American people first.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:09 PM
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29. I loved that video too...and Eminem updated it after the election and its
still as valid as ever...Even my 4 year old loved it! She kept asking me to play it again and again...

Yeah, it may be time to pull out the Black hoodie....got a nice DKNY one :)
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 05:14 PM
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48. Learned sumpin again on DU. Very cool vid. Thanks. n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:12 PM
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30. during the last march in September
they shut down all the trains into DC so that protesters couldn't get in. Certainly decreased numbers of the rally. If they got really scared, they would shut down the airports too.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:29 PM
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39. and the parting shot was the threat of tularemia
The bioterror agent just happened to set off detection alarms the day hundreds of thousands of protestors were in town, never before, and never since.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:28 PM
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49. Oh, yes, that's right.
Measures are already in place in anticipation of a citizen shutdown of Washington.

I've really had enough of these people; and I've had enough of the compliant Congress and media, too.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:40 AM
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10. Criminal Proceedings
Charges need to be brought against Bush RIGHT NOW...
this is insane (as well as totally illegal. immoral and unconstitutional )

This delusional POS needs to be tossed out of the white house
and sent directly to jail. RIGHT NOW.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:55 AM
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11. he told Jim Lehrer he wouldn't talk about "an ongoing investigation."
My jaw dropped--"ONGOING?????!!!!!"

why is THAT not the thing people are outraged about? They didn't do it just "in the months after 9/11."
They're still doing it now.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:56 AM
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12. Orwell, anyone?
Fuck it, this is awful. AWFUL.
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FutureChild Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:27 PM
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14. 6 beers 10 volka redbull later
Yup thats how much I have to drinks t keep my clients happy.
But above it all FUCK BUSH.
There is no choice. No destination other then impeach the MOF.
# more years , After looking at Cspan2 why do l get water in my eyes from Governor Blanco. So damn wrong.o damn fucking wrong.
Damn alcohol, but heck it I will type the same old crap even if I am sober.
Don't give no damn to what others think.
Merry Christmas Andy (GBC) Kephra and dont you give up on the vet at DU WE WILL WIN or CRAP CRAP CRAP.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:38 PM
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15. I Was Wondering What the "Related Groups" Were
Could he mean people like *us*?:scared:

Tammy
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:00 PM
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18. Bank on it Tammy
n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:48 PM
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17. More proof of LIHOP.
Who benefits more from the 'war on terror'? Al Qaida or the BFEE? They both do and we the people end up as nothing more than minimum wage slaves. Marches don't seem to bother Dimson. He said that you get used to those kinda things. :eyes:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:02 PM
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19. I wish I could nominate this thread twice.

Give Mommy a Kiss....."


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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:25 PM
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20. No problem, got ya covered. N.T.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:30 PM
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21. If the President refuses to be bound by the Constitution,
then is redress even available through traditional channels like impeachment?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:38 PM
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23. I don't see how we could do anything else.
A President who will not obey the laws of the country should be removed from office. This is a nation of laws, not of men.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:20 AM
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56. Amen to that!
Peace.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:56 PM
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27. Oh yeah. That's what impeachment's for.
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 01:58 PM by Marie26
If a President does something illegal or treasonous, the legislative branch can impeach him & take him out. The checks & balances are there to prevent any official from taking too much power away - and impeachment is there as a check on Presidential power.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:23 PM
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33. Unfortunately, the executive is part of a criminal conspiracy with members
of the Legislative Branch, and this conspiracy is preventing the checks and balances from functioning, and impeachment to begin.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:17 PM
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66. Maybe
But I think the time is expiring on that. Bush is even scaring Republicans now - and directly infinging on Congress's own power to pass binding law. Arlen Specter prides himself on his knowledge of constitutional law & has been upset w/Bush since the Miers nomination because it showed a disrespect for the judicial branch. Specter knows this is unconstitutional. I don't think he'll back down on these hearings - and as head of the Judicial Committee he has a lot of clout. A real split is appearing between the Bushbots & the true conservatives in Congress, who are appalled by this program. Many Republicans actually voted down the Patriot Act this week. You can almost feel the checks & balances slowly turning again after a long rusty deadlock. I have faith in the system still - the Constitution hasn't let us down yet, and I believe it will work again to prevent Bush from suceeding in subverting our democracy.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:29 AM
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71. Every time we think the Constitution will be respected, it gets worse.
This Administration will hire some mindless Federalist Society hack to justify any power it wishes, and will then proceed on that basis, and on the lie that it informed Congress of it.

Every time in history there has been a Constitutional crisis, we have learned new things about the document. But its overcoming this crisis may require something different and something more than has ever been required before.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:32 PM
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22. "The power you give me I will lay down once this crisis has abated."


Sometimes real life can imitate fiction.

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:21 PM
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32. "This is how Democracy dies...to thunderous applause"
Yes, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.... :scared:
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:13 PM
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36. Darth Sidious: Power! Unlimited Power!
Dubya: Power! Unlimited Power!
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:08 PM
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62. Powerful statement
Watching that movie I was reminded of how close to losing the republic we are.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:38 AM
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72. That was how Julius Ceasar took power in Rome
those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:43 PM
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25. And well it should.
Being afraid of frightening things is good so long as our fear motivates us to clever and calculated action.

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

Paranoid Shift
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:29 PM
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34. Pain is a good motivator too...when is the country going to be in such
pain that it finally pulls its hand out of the fire and stops getting burned? :eyes:

I agree with you Beam me up about the paradigm shift needed. I just keep praying we all can help move our brothers and sisters who are still asleep towards that shift before its too late.

When I read this thread and the original post, I screamed "OMG, Bush said that? That son of a bitch (he really is, literally) said that he not only had no issue or problem with the order to spy on Americans without warrant, but would continue to do it?" Then I realized, yes, he would say that....

The man is an absolute sociopath who is destroying our country and constitution....

(PS: Hello NSA and Pentagon :hi: I'm sure as you continue to monitor us Americans who dare to dissent and speak truth to power, you should ask yourself: Who am I loyal to? My job and the orders I am following, or to the truth and to the Constitution of the United States of America?
I am loyal to my country and Constitution. Sorry if that doesn't include being loyal and following lock step the orders of a fascist sociopath who occupies the Office of President of the United States) :hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 05:11 AM
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58. THEY are watching...
... a select few who are butthole surfers for Ollie North and John Poindexter, and the OSP lizards.

Meanwhile, terrorists plot evil deeds overseas unabated because not enough US intelligence personnel is available to track them down.


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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:12 PM
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55. paranoid shift - I like that
Yeah, it might even take establishing a new kind of "distributive" provisional government raised and maintained by means of communication and information, rather than bullets and blood - a face to face activated and communicating network of American citizens - a provisional government without a center - or whose center is everywhere, if you will.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:57 PM
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28. But how can we be sure he's not directing those targets at his political
opponents and feeding the information to Republican candidates? At this point, nobody trusts him to do otherwise.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:20 PM
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31. I thought spying on political foes too....
In the meantime, he's using "keeping Amerikka safe" scare tactics. Yet so easy to tep into non-threatening sources!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:53 PM
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35. I'm hearing repeated comments on cable news that he has violated the
constitution (msm finally waking up???), and this is an illegal act. Maybe we will finally get some brakes applied to this out-of-control administration. I still think that Sen. Arlen's (R-PA) comments that he wants the Senate to look into this are amazing and a very good sign. (Presuming that the "look" won't turn into some sort of whitewash.)
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:19 PM
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37. OT, but that flight suit pictures cracks me up.
:rofl:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:27 PM
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38. This guy violated the Constiution
He should be impeached.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:30 PM
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40. When we lose our Freedom of Press, we are fucked. We are fucked.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:40 PM
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42. Doesn't the media know he's probably spying on them too?
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:10 PM
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43. Yes, he's dangerous but calm, control your fear...and watch it happen!
Martial law? They may try, but they seem to be having a lot of trouble with this in Iraq, a country only about twice the size of Idaho! How are they going to control the US with almost 300 million population and look at the land mass! Are US soldiers going to shoot US citizens in the street like Iraqis?

Yes he's dangerous because he knows that we know i.e. the man on the street is beginning to wake up from his long slumber. He can see it in the polls. But, the polls also give MSM support to actually do their jobs (for a change).

After years of having things his way, his administration is now being slowly disassembled before his eyes and he is powerless to directly stop it.

The Republican party is imploding.

The Senate just shot down the so called "Patriot" act (let's hope it stays shot down).

Next target Rove....then Chaney? Go Fitz!

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:29 PM
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44. History screams at us that W is going to do what he wants, but a majority
of both houses of Congress have rubber-stamped nearly his every whim and tens of millions still chant: four more year, four more years, eating up every thing he does. :grr:
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:55 PM
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46. "disappears his opponents"
wouldn't surprise me if he already did that.
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 05:03 PM
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47. Paul Wellstone
The book "American Assasination" makes a pretty interesting case that his plane was downed intentionally.

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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:49 PM
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51. George Bush's arrogance is absolutely appauling
Just when you think things can't get any worse, something like this is exposed. This is so terrible for our country. The right wingers are out there in numbers trying to justify his actions, and lay the blame on the ones who have exposed him. This sickens me for this president to be so belligerent over a very serious matter. :puke: :scared: Shame on him and his followers.
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 05:06 AM
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57. bush's arrogance is appalling
So is his ignorance.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:16 PM
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65. He is ignorant, and yet he's president
That's very scary to think about.:scared:
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:22 PM
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52. My Fear Began When Cheney Said He Wanted To Be VP
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:30 PM
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53. Was never afraid of Nixon, in this way...
because we did have some media attention. My greatest fear at this point is, they have learned from their mistakes.:scared:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:49 PM
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54. They will realize this when
The leader of the Democratic opposition to his policies is found murdered, and not effort is made to conceal that it is a political hit:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/murder_of_matteotti.htm

When Bush's political opponents are thrown alive out of airplanes over the ocean:

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/8351.shtml
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 08:50 AM
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59. What else is happening that we don't know about yet?
I have a strong feeling that what we know is only the tip of the iceberg.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:56 PM
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63. That is a truly scary thought!
But you are probably right!

What the fuck have these assholes done to MY COUNTRY?!! And when the fuck will the sheeple wake up? Please tell me that they care about more than just what hours the mall is open.

:cry:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 05:17 PM
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70. At this point I put nothing past them. They are total sociopaths.
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 05:17 PM by cassiepriam
And it may take many years to find out the extent of the damage they have done.
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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 09:02 AM
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60. I couldn't believe it either, Dio!
The fucker is dangerous! not only that...he has no qualms about breaking the law, because you know...it's illegal to do that without a court order! He's GOT to go...and right now!
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:24 PM
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67. But "If the President does it, it's not illegal."
This was Nixon's philosophy, and after hearing Bush's defense, it seems to be his philosophy as well.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:58 PM
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61. In the face of Republican opposition, we could recall!
:dilemma:
In a corporate controlled country like ours, the people's wishes don't have much significance. It is extremely unlikely that Bush will be impeached, just as it failed to happen in Reagan's case in spite of all the Iran-Contra scandal. They even wanted to put him on Mount Rushmore - yikes!

Please people, pay attention to this. Our only hope in getting out of the mess we are in is democracy! Democracy is government by the people. We, the people, are sovereign, not our elected officials according to our Constitution.

If we enact the National Initiative for Democracy, we can make a recall election for any public official - including the President - any time we wish. We, the people, need to formalize our sovereign law making power. Let's do it!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:58 PM
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64. apathy is what got him in there, apathy is what they are counting on...
more than votes themselves
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