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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:31 PM
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DU CNN poll: Was the New York Times right to publish details of a secret..
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 08:33 PM by helderheid
Was the New York Times right to publish details of a secret program that allows spies to eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant?


Yes, we need to know 71% 3034 votes

No, security needs secrecy 29% 1226 votes
Total: 4260 votes


www.cnn.com


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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:32 PM
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1. Is there a link?
:)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:33 PM
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3. duh. sorry. edited.
www.cnn.com
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:36 PM
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7. Here is the linky...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:33 PM
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2. the next poll should be: Was the NYT evil not to tell a year earlier?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:33 PM
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4. no shit!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:36 PM
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8. Damn RIGHT! n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:08 PM
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47. Yeah, really. The NYT is a worthless rag these days.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:40 PM
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58. Reminds me of CNN admitting censoring news under Saddam
Remember the holy hell raised by the RW and the MSM after that? How has the last 5 years of media dealings with GW Bushit been any better than the way they sucked up to Saddam? CNN did what they thought they had to in order to operate under a murderous regime and the MSM has been forced into the same bargain with the devil currently occupying the WH.

We can only hope to soon see the brave people who history will hale as the saviors of the American dream. If not, some far off history will mark the fall of another corrupt empire that overwhelmed an idealistic dream that once was known as "democracy".
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:33 PM
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5. 25-30% of America brain-dead as usual
Nothing new to see here...
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:35 PM
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6. enod Y-71 N-29 Total-4260
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:42 PM
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9. That's one hell of an oxymoran:
No, "security needs secrecy."

Once again, fuck you CNN, and fuck all of your fucking fascist enemies of freedom!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:48 PM
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16. What do you expect from
the "news" network that spent an ENTIRE FUCKING DAY on the "runaway bride" story after it was discovered that she'd left on her own, while Iraq suffered several coordinated attacks that very day, causing horrendous damage, and they didn't utter a peep about it?
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:42 PM
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10. done
Was the New York Times right to publish details of a secret program that allows spies to eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant?

Yes, we need to know 71% 4011 votes

No, security needs secrecy 29% 1637 votes
Total: 5648 votes
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:43 PM
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11. Not only were they right but they were obligated to inform the public
That is the role of the media in a democracy.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:43 PM
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12. It appears by all the poll numbers of late that junior is booking
a loser and his ship is sinking as we speak.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:44 PM
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13. DUne.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:45 PM
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14. is CNN a criminal run news organization? yes it is
period
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:46 PM
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15. DUne DUde it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:48 PM
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17. The poll is misleading. The program doesn't "allow" spies to eavesdrop
The program "enables" spies to eavesdrop illegally.

Was the New York Times right to publish details of a secret program that allows spies to eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant?
Yes, we need to know


71%

5029 votes
No, security needs secrecy


29%

2029 votes
Total: 7058 votes
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:50 PM
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18. Yes but
WHY did they sit on this for so long?

It makes me sick to hear Bush BLAME the media which enabled his "election"

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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:50 PM
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19. Done....n/t
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:50 PM
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20. Done n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:52 PM
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21. but Bush mostly ignores CIA leaks!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:53 PM
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22. now that the shoe is on the other foot==he is rightous about it all!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:54 PM
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23. Bush attacks paper for jeopardizing national security==quite the headline.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:56 PM
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24. Yes, we need to know 71% 5029 votes


Was the New York Times right to publish details of a secret program that allows spies to eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant?
Yes, we need to know 71% 5029 votes
No, security needs secrecy


29%

2029 votes
Total: 7058 votes
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:56 PM
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25. 5029 votes = yes (71%) n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:57 PM
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26. nominated
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:57 PM
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27. kick
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:58 PM
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28. How low can they go?...
I don't watch anymore, but this crap is certifiable...These people need to be put out on the street.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:00 PM
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29. "Bush took aim at the messenger Saturday,"---yup--get in trouble and
slame the messenger. typical behavior from the WH.


......In acknowledging the message was true, President Bush took aim at the messenger Saturday, saying that The New York Times jeopardized national security by revealing that he authorized wiretaps on U.S. citizens after September 11. The president said he allowed the NSA "to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda." Publishing details of the program "damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk," Bush said.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:01 PM
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30. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:02 PM
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31. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:04 PM
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32. Russ Feingold comments included in the story


Sad day'

After hearing Bush's response, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, said there was no law allowing the president's actions and that "it's a sad day."

"He's trying to claim somehow that the authorization for the Afghanistan attack after 9/11 permitted this, and that's just absurd," Feingold said. "There's not a single senator or member of Congress who thought we were authorizing wiretaps."

He added that the law clearly lays out how to obtain permission for wiretaps.

"If he needs a wiretap, the authority is already there -- the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act," Feingold said. "They can ask for a warrant to do that, and even if there's an emergency situation, they can go for 72 hours as long as they give notice at the end of 72 hours."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:06 PM
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33. cnn is trying to find out the wording of Bush orders.


But in a Friday statement, Executive Editor Bill Keller said the newspaper postponed publication of the article for a year at the White House's request, while editors pondered the national security issues surrounding the release of the information.

But after considering the legal and civil liberties aspects, and determining that the story could be written without jeopardizing intelligence operations, the paper ran the story, Keller said, emphasizing that information about many NSA eavesdropping operations is public record.

CNN has not confirmed the exact wording of the president's order.

The political ramifications of the newspaper's report were felt even before Bush acknowledged the report's veracity.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:06 PM
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34. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:08 PM
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36. Schumer said we need to be very careful after this revelation!




In particular, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said such behavior by the executive branch "can't be condoned," and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said the report swayed his decision on the Patriot Act proposal.

"Today's revelation that the government listened in on thousands of phone conversations without getting a warrant is shocking and has greatly influenced my vote," Schumer said. "Today's revelation makes it very clear that we have to be very careful -- very careful."

Specter, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, added Friday that his committee would immediately begin investigating the matter.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:07 PM
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35. done n/t
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:10 PM
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37. Done
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:11 PM
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38. 70-30 now
voted
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:14 PM
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39. Done. 70% (7,400 votes) need to know vs. 30% (3103 votes) fucktards
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:43 PM
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40. Done. Important.
Thanks.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:49 PM
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41. done n/t
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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:51 PM
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42. Done
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:52 PM
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43. Done & RECOMMENDED. n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:53 PM
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44. voted - 70/30
Yes, we need to know 70% 11524 votes

No, security needs secrecy 30% 5032 votes
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:06 PM
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45. Done.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:07 PM
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46. 69% at 2200 hours EST. 12-17-05
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:32 PM
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48. yes, BUT
They shouldn't have held on to the story for a year.

A whole year they let Bush break the law and spy on people.



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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:37 PM
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49. Done, down to 69% now
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:50 PM
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51. ugh... what is wrong with these 31% anti-Americans anti-Constitution folks
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:38 PM
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50. No! Don't you DARE let them change the debate like that!!!
:mad:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:21 PM
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52. done 69% yes
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:36 PM
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53. Du'd it
:kick:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:45 PM
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54. Done...69% vs.31% ...incredible.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:54 AM
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55. done and kick and recommended
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:30 AM
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56. . nm
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Rodger Dodger Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:36 AM
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57. Yes Yes a thousand times Yes
Absolutely!

Enough already with this clandestine and secretive administration.
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