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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:34 AM
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Regardless of chances for success, IMPEACHMENT must be called for!
Look, we all know that the cowardly republican criminals running our government will not actually follow through with any calls for President Bush's impeachment for illegally spying on American citizens. ILLEGALLY being the key word. Remember, Clinton was impeached for a goddamn BLOW JOB. It is time for someone, ANYONE with a spine, to call for Bush's impeachment NOW, publicly, and loudly.

Then leave it to the Republicans to explain to their constituents why they don't feel the Constitution is worth defending, that U.S. statutes can be willfully ignored by the POTUS, and why this most unpopular president in U.S. history should be above the law, when they attempted to unseat "the world's president," Bill Clinton, for one lie about his sex life. A charge for which he was ultimately acquitted.

Let the Republicans explain why they hold our Constitution in such contempt. But somebody in Washington has to get the ball rolling, if for no other reason than to start the national debate and put it in front of Mom & Pop America instead of allowing it to be disappeared by Bush's media handlers.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:37 AM
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1. Nominated.
I agree, almost fully. I think that the chances for impeachment hearings is going to increase as we get into 2006. It is important for grass-roots democrats to begin to take a stronger stance now.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:48 AM
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2. I agree IMPEACH and.....
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 10:53 AM by DaveTheWave
turn him into the Court of International Justice for crimes against humanity. Between killing Americans here at home by making health care only available at high premiums, letting hundreds die in their attics and on roadsides after hurricane Katrina, and to invading and killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians in a country that never attacked us and was not a direct threat. We need to start holding our elected democratic leaders accountable too. The finger pointing and nothing but finger pointing is stupid and useless. Aggressive legal action needs to be proposed and explained to the il-informed American public. Why is everyone with the exception of Dean, Murtha and Feingold so scared of this draft dodging, frat-boy coward?
Afraid they'll get their phones tapped or get on a no fly list? Quit being a bunch of pussies! Get off your relaxed, take the Democratic vote for granted, high society fat asses and do some work for us or we'll start voting third party.

:mad: DO YOUR JOBS! :mad:
:mad: IMPEACH & PROSECUTE :mad:
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:56 AM
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3. Pick ONE
It seems just about every day another is added to the list. What the hell are we waiting for??????

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SushiFan Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:04 AM
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4. I'd be thrilled with GWB-jailtime. Impeach is 2 good for this mofo/eom
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:06 AM
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5. Whether or not impeachment has a ghost's chance in hell
of being successful - STILL, those of conscience in Congress should call for the proceedings to begin.

In the face of the President's flaunting of the law and the constitution, those who do not repudiate his actions are assumed to be complicit. End of story.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:22 AM
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10. A divided enemy is easier to conquer than a united one.
If serious actions in Washington are taken instead of just the stupid publicity stunts on the talk shows, the entire republican party will distance themselves as far as they can from the embarrassment of the inditment and for supporting and enabling the draft dodging war criminal in the past. They themselves will begin saying to the American public what we've known (them too) all along:

"We were also lied to about going to war".
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:08 AM
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6. K & N
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:09 AM
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7. Impeach Bushler NOW!
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:09 AM
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8. 2006 is the golden chance. Take back the house AND
senate. Then we can impeach this murdering son of a bitch.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:14 AM
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9. Impeach little baby king George first.
Then impeach GoCheneyurself second.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:28 AM
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11. Totally agree!
Impeach * and convict him NOW.

He's such an arrogant bastard, him and Cheney.
They both think they're above the law.

So far, they've been proved right in thinking that.

Let's change that attitude now.

Sue
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:30 AM
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12. I like your thinking.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:36 AM
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13. Impeach their asses NOW!
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 11:39 AM by Pithy Cherub
That press moment of acknowledging his unlawful spying will go down as the moment he would be impeached. No one spoke on behalf of * - he spoke for his own illegal decision. If this is a nation of laws, now is the time to prove it Congress! Especially for those who voted aye on IWR for this immoral travesty.

Because the war was never formally declared by Congress, any actions listed as on behalf of a "war" have no basis in reality. :grr:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:03 PM
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14. No president is above the law
Republican or Democrat

And it's the duty of the republican congress to uphold
the rule of law and impeach Bush for his crimes.

If they do not impeach Bush, they set precedent
that the next (democrat) President can freely
ignore the law - as unchecked and unbalanced
as Bush.

This is a pretty amusing pickle they are in.
I sure don't expect them to do the right thing...
but good god.. payback is gonna be delicious.
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:21 PM
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15. agree absolutely!
We need to start the discussion now. We need to sort out which Dems and Repubs are evil and which are simply clueless- and then educate the clueless- before the election 2006.

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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:43 PM
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19. How could we have let this happen..... How can it go on
anyone remember " We'll have children of the kingdom
They won't be torn by war
nor will they kill or hate
or hesitate to love ........justice"
Seals and Croft

"Do unto others as you would have do unto you"
GOlden Rule
How could such hollow souls have taken us to this point and how could we let them?


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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:31 PM
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16. Pat Buchanan asked on McLaughlin - If he broke the law
why don't the Democrats impeach him?

The articles HAVE to be introduced, even if they fail. The Republicans have stated they are going to try to "box" the Dems on this - their old tired favorite of "if you don't support this, than you support the terrorists" They have gone to the well too often with that one. Lindsy Graham on one of the shows this morning said "We must be a nation of laws and not a nation of outcomes." (i.e. not slipping into the ends justify the means) I thought he, a Republican, did a great job of stating the issue clearly and unemotionally.

If Bush broke the law, he must be impeached. Simple. He did not get warrants even though he could have easily done so, because his henchmen and sycophants have told him that he is ABOVE the law and above the checks and balances of the Constitution. We all know this is not so.

The people who will become "boxed" on this issue will be the Republicans if they try to excuse Bush. They will then have to agree that Bush is above law, checks and balances and the Constitution. If they accept that, then they have accepted a dictatorship.They will open the floodgates to hell for our nation and the world.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:47 PM
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17. In the face of Republican opposition, we could recall!
In a corporate controlled country like ours, the people's wishes don't have much significance. It is extremely unlikely that Bush will be impeached, just as it failed to happen in Reagan's case in spite of all the Iran-Contra scandal. They even wanted to put him on Mount Rushmore - yikes!

Please people, pay attention to this. Our only hope in getting out of the mess we are in is democracy! Democracy is government by the people. We, the people, are sovereign, not our elected officials according to our Constitution.

If we enact the National Initiative for Democracy, we can make a recall election for any public official - including the President - any time we wish. We, the people, need to formalize our sovereign law making power. Let's do it!

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:47 AM
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28. Thanks for posting this dfgrbac!
Check this out:

www.recallthecongress.com

You need to hear this guy's argument.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:25 PM
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18. K & R!! n/t
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:58 PM
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20. Did anyone see this little tidbit?
1052 subpoenas during Clinton 1997-2002 and three for Bush.

This should be in skywriting all across America!!
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:26 PM
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21. Dems don't want to raise the issue too early.
While we're waiting, we can push the WorldCantWait agenda: "Bush Step Down and
Take Your Program With You!"

Demonstrations are planned to coincide with the State of the Union address.

http://worldcantwait.org/

Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

Your government suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.

Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:36 PM
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22. Kick! - Recommended
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 08:58 PM
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23. K & R
This is important that the DEMs start talking about this seriously. I don't want to hear anymore that it will go nowhere because of the Republican run congress. Do it anyway - its the right thing to do and the country needs to understand the importance of what is happening here. Our constitution is teetering on the edge of becoming irrelevant.

If this NSA thing is allowed to pass by without action along with the lies that lead us to war, it's over. Our country, our liberties, what has made America unique for the past 229 years are all lost. And I hope I am wrong - but that is where I am tonight.

Well, off to watch Chimpy shriek on the propaganda machine. :(
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 09:06 PM
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24. I Agree!
I mean, what does spying on antiwar groups have to do with fighting al-Qaeda? Bush has forgotten what he was really supposed to do, which is stop al-Qaeda & bin Laden. He even said once that he didn't know where Osama was & didn't care! He only cares about Iraq & destroying his political enemies. He has turned our allies against us. He doesn't care about anyone unless they are rich & Republican. He may even have mental problems, if rumors are to be believed. This guy *must* go! I'm not even religious, & yet I pray every day that Bush is removed from power.

Tammy
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:24 AM
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25. They don't recognize laws, they will not stand for impeachment
When considering the possibility of impeachment, it seems the obvious thing to first wonder what it would take to get enough Republicans to make it possible. It is fair to consider that a long shot. Even supposing it happens, though, I don't see how the national debate could be framed merely around high crimes and misdemeanors. Clearly there are war crime implications and in particular the War Crime Act of 1996, which Newsweek wrote about in May 2004:
Memos Reveal War Crimes Warnings

By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
Updated: 9:14 a.m. ET May 19, 2004

May 17 - The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush administration in the war on terrorism, according to an internal White House memo and interviews with participants in the debate over the issue.

The concern about possible future prosecution for war crimes—and that it might even apply to Bush adminstration officials themselves— is contained in a crucial portion of an internal January 25, 2002, memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales obtained by NEWSWEEK. It urges President George Bush declare the war in Afghanistan, including the detention of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, exempt from the provisions of the Geneva Convention.

In the memo, the White House lawyer focused on a little known 1996 law passed by Congress, known as the War Crimes Act, that banned any Americans from committing war crimes—defined in part as "grave breaches" of the Geneva Conventions. Noting that the law applies to "U.S. officials" and that punishments for violators "include the death penalty," Gonzales told Bush that "it was difficult to predict with confidence" how Justice Department prosecutors might apply the law in the future. This was especially the case given that some of the language in the Geneva Conventions—such as that outlawing "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners—was "undefined."

We are talking about a fascist cabal that does not respect the law. I do not think we can expect them to willingly stand trial at risk of the death penalty. Just as terror warnings regularly coincide with increased sunlight on the administration, I think we can count on the final excuse for martial law coming along when impeachment seems imminent, if not sooner.

My plan, and my call to action, are found in Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution.
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:32 AM
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26. anyone see this clip of cafferty?
Jack Cafferty was so outraged from the spying story, he had this to say:

http://www.truthstream.org/flux/upload/truthstream/TSR-Cafferty-Just-do-it.wmv

This guy is the only reason I watch CNN at all... puts all his high crimes and misdemeanors in one nice 1 minute segment.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:38 AM
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27. We should have no fear of calling for impeachment
We are The People. It is our country, our government, our liberal democracy. We are not running for anything. We need no donations from corporate masters. We seek no interests oversees. We seek transparency, not secrecy.

We can call for whatever is in the best interests of the country, and when there are enough of us, the politicians will have no choice but to follow.

Let's get started. Impeach President Bush.
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Lyle Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:00 AM
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29. Serious impeachment talks should begin immediately
We need to send a message. This type of pervasive - and persistant governemntal beahvior can not be tolerated. It will only spread and worsen. We need to protect our democracy and our liberty by sending a stong message NOW. If we don't provide strong resistance in the form of impeachment, all may be lost to history.
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