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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:47 AM
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Do NOT Call For Impeachment NOW
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 11:53 AM by matcom
for it will not fly. no way in hell. political impossibility. forget it.

BUT...........

the DAY after the '06 elections, WHEN we retake Congress, Call for Impeachment IMMEDIATELY!

gear it up.

on edit: use this time to gather the evidence. you cannot run on impeachment. the sheeple will be VERY turned off by it. they are tired already. use this year to gather the facts and SLAM them down on idiot the DAY we retake the Congress.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:48 AM
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1. We MUST call for impeachment now. nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:49 AM
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Save time, just beat head against closest wall
same results and you save a lot of breath
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:50 AM
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10. then rinse and repeat.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:54 AM
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18. Calling for it now is worse -- it's counterproductive
Allows GOP-majority to discount the idea making a 2006 revisit much, much harder (although it will protect your wall, and your head)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:49 AM
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3. you don't understand the system. n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:50 AM
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8. They don't care about the impachment succeding. Which makes me
wonder....hummmmmm
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:52 AM
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15. What system? The president broke the law.

He must be impeached. MUST be impeached.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:55 AM
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19. every member of Congress has broken the law
at one time. we have the most corrupt government in the 'free' world. you gotta play the game
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:00 PM
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21. Totally agree - NOW.
Not only did the pResident break the law, but he egregiously says he'll continue.

What a rat.

IMPEACHEM NOW.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:48 AM
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2. The investigations need to begin now
So we have all the evidence we need to impeach the bastards right after the '06 elections.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:49 AM
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7. agree 100%
gather the evidence now. impeach in '06
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:49 AM
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4. if we begin the call now, it can become a rallying issue during...
...the '06 elections.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:50 AM
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9. it will turn off the voters
keep it quiet. gather the evidence. the sheeple are tired already
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:51 AM
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12. Agreed.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:53 AM
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16. then "the voters" will receive exactly the government...
...that they deserve.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:54 AM
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17. see my edit to the OP
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:16 PM
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26. Agree By the time we get through to the sleeping majority it will be ready
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:49 AM
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5. That is what makes 2k6 elections so important!!!!!!
Wouldn't it be great to have Hillary Clinton as the Impeachment Manager in the Senate?
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:49 AM
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6. Ya I am gonna keep it up.
I mean the fucker should be Impeached. and i am not one to hold my tounge.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:50 AM
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11. see #9
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:52 AM
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14. They don't care about turning off the voters....which means you don't
want to win. Hummmmmmm makes me think who wouldn't want their team to win? :shrug:
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:07 PM
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24. Get real, please!
You can't keep defaming folks because their feelings don't jibe with your own. That certainly doesn't make them people "who wouldn't want their team to win". You and I both understand that fact, so why make inflammatory statements like that?

Both positions have merit.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:23 PM
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30. What do you mean? They could be Green supporters. That wouldn't
be all bad. It is just that I don't want Greens sabotaging Dems cuz then we all lose.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:52 AM
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13. Agreed 100% n/t
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:58 AM
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20. I understand your reasoning, but...
...I think it is imperative that we show our outrage NOW and use the "I" word to get as many people comfortable with the notion of impeaching this bastard.

We need to convince the American people NOW that what Bush did is an impeachable event. Then we can start asking why the GOP went balls to the wall to impeach Clinton for lying about sex, and yet they refuse to impeach a President for authorizing the NSA to spy on American citizens.

We need to show the people just how bankrupt the Republicans are.

(Of course, I'm not sure I want Richard "Mr. Torture" Cheney as President either...)
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:03 PM
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22. I agree.....
The timing is everything. Maybe if it came down say September 06.......the big bang before the November vote.......No time for distraction.

The time now is to prepare our candidates for 2006. That is what I am doing.....setting up the campaign schedule/ PR events for my candidate. Stephanie Studebaker for U.S Congress. Web site is under-construction.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:06 PM
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23. If impeachment proceedings were started today,
they would drag on for months because the administration would stonewall, drag their feet and sidestep questions. It will take several months to get through just the house part. I remember Nixon's watergate. It took him forever to come up the infamous tape and then part was erased. We need to start proceedings asap.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:37 PM
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40. well actually impeachment proceedings barely got started
when Nixon up and resigned. It was the watergate investigation hearings that dragged on for over a year. Articles of impeachment were passed July 27-30 1974, the smoking gun tape appears the first week of august, and nixon resigns on august 9.

Democrats have no subpoena power and that hampers any watergate style investigation - the best we can hope for in this area is independent prosecutorial investigations such as Fitzjerald's.

However none of this should be a consideration. Democrats should be demanding impeachment today, tomorrow, and every day until it happens because high crimes and misdemeanors have been and are being committed by The Cabal, and the Opposition Party has a responsibility TO OPPOSE these actions, to call for an accounting, to demand justice.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:08 PM
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25. At LEAST tens of thousands of people in my state won't get to vote here..
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 12:36 PM by jus_the_facts
....I would guess if they have't established a permanent residence elsewhere...or probably even if they HAVE...they'll not get to vote at all....and that many people gone from Louisiana who..if they voted before Katrina..and now are just GONE...then I seriously doubt we'll be anywhere NEAR blue from top to bottom...yeah some say..oh but people are outraged and will vote against the administration because of all that's happened...I'll believe it when I see it....locally and and the surrounding parishes of northeast Louisiana there is a lot of racist shit stired at least once a week on the news about the evacuees around here and that leads me to be even more cynical about taking anything back from these heartless fucks that control our voting process...or any positive outcome on the horizon. x(

The City of New Orleans elections have been cancelled indefinitely already btw.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:18 PM
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27. Now and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow and every day
until The Cabal is held accountible for its crimes. It isn't about winning, it is about doing what is right. It isn't about timing, it is about standing FOR SOMETHING no matter what the cost, no matter how unpopular because it is right.

I firmly believe that if the Democratic Party stood proud and strong in opposition to The Cabal it would find its voice, it would find its support, it would find the people of this country standing shoulder to shoulder with us.
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:19 PM
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28. Screw that - DONT BE APATHETIC AND WEAK
Jeeze, wonder why they think dems dont have a backbone.

Let's just "assume" we will get back the power without DEMANDING justice be served until AFTER we get back the power?

Lame.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:21 PM
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29. and what if '06 is stolen?
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 12:26 PM by helderheid
I'm not saying this to be a drag ... it's truly a hypothetical question.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:25 PM
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31. The Dems would probably win big if they did call for impeachment.
They certainly wouldn't do themselves any harm. The problem is the usual lack of courage.
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:30 PM
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35. Agreed ...

You need to force the issue. The Republicans will strike at them hard, but you have to count on this back-firing.

Remember, the calls for Clinton's impeachment came out even before his inaugaration.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:47 PM
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44. "If you vote for me, I will work to get Bush impeached as soon as
possible", a landslide. By 2006, 75% of Americans will be ready to kick Bush's ass out of office and into jail.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:25 PM
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32. i think that by the time 'the time is right' for bush, his articles of...
impeachment will make clinton's look like the vindicative republican dispensation of office & paper they were all along. bush's brand of elitism & personal, prideful psychiatric dislocation, is taking rivers of blood & vaults of national treasure to cure. i cannot wait for the ass & his snarky handlers to get the hell out of town.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:26 PM
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33. Actually the time is Now! Think about all of the GOP Reps who don't want
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 12:28 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
to lose their jobs. They're not stupid. They see the poll numbers of the Shrub and that their poll numbers are even lower. It is our responsibility to put pressure on them to take action.

On edit... Do we have the luxury of time to wait to call for impeachment? What else can he do in a years time? We are in danger right now with him at the helm.
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:27 PM
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34. You RUN on an impeachment platform ...

Force the '06 congressional elections into a referendum on GW Bush. Force the Puke Senators and Congressman to stand behind Bush.

Right now, we should definitely point out the GW Bush should be impeached and removed from office. And we should point out that the Republicans don't have the integrity to remove one of their own when he has so blatantly violated the law.



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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:32 PM
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36. YUP!!!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:33 PM
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37. have that a campaign issue. vote dem, impeach bush
interesting. would certainly be a clear mandate
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:34 PM
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might make repugs pee pants so much, they have to steal it
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 12:34 PM by seabeyond
in obvious and blatant manner, to be caught. and they could afford or allow dems to win in 06
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:34 PM
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38. The point to is take hold of the debate
Bush and friends will be slowed down, perhaps unable to attack Iran if we put on the pressure now. The are already running scared. Cunningham has the corrupt congresspeople feeling the fear- perhaps the good guys are ready to separate themselves from this evil regime. Perhaps some have just been fooled and are now waking up. There is no law stating that congressmen have to vote along partisan lines. They took an oath to uphold the constitution, not the illegal activities of a mob like executive branch.

The way to retake congress is for the democrats to STAND UP DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY and do what is right by our country. Keeping quiet hasn't exactly been working.

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:35 PM
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39. Call for it now, call for it again, call for it over and over
AND make it an electionissue if it doesn't fly. If you don't call for it RIGHT NOW when you have a clear violation of law - why ever call for it? Also, there are Republicans and moderates that are just as disgusted and do not want to see a nation of laws turned into a dictatorship. There are some issues and events that rise above politics and this is one of those times. I could not disagree with the OP more than I do.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:39 PM
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41. If we wait til after 06 it will look political
AND, if we wait it will look like it was not that important. It's an American concern, not just a democrat one.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:45 PM
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42. We can win the elections of 2006 IF we are able to get the
legitimize the voting process, particularly in Ohio and Florida. I believe that our focus should be on that. Otherwise, what's the use? One person, sitting at the vote tally console could alter thousands of votes. That has already been proven to be possible.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:46 PM
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43. let the people express what they want now!
Plant the seeds. Let the word gain power! Scream it from the rooftops!
I will never put all my hopes in politicians. It is the PEOPLE in the country who need to speak. You can't tell me to wait for the "system".
That is dis-empowering. Encourage the people to speak out about what they want, NOW!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:49 PM
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45. Sorry, matcom. We SHOULD call for it BECAUSE it will not fly!
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 12:50 PM by johnaries
When the majority of the people call for impeachment and the Repukes refuse, then we will sweep Congress. THEN the new Congress will have a mandate for impeachment.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:53 PM
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46. People Want Something To Vote For...
Attempting to win by default is playing to lose. While many Repugnicans are now disenchanted and say they won't vote for asshat (who they can't anyway) or support his policies, that doesn't always translate to the local Congresscritter or Repugnican machine. While Iraq will be a big issue in next year's elections, it won't be the only one...Democrats can't afford to run against just the invasion or the Repugnicans. It has to show that there's leadership and hope here. There needs to be a positive message of both inclusion and reconciliation...avoiding the concept that Democrats are the lesser of evils.

Calling for impeachment is a silly tactic as the timetable for such a thing to happen...unless Democrats win incredible veto and filibuster proof majorities in both houses (and do you REALLY think that is gonna happen??)...the investigations wouldn't begin until the end of January, 2007. Then comes the debates, executive privilidge challenges and so on would drag this into the 2008 primary election season...and give the Repugnicans, like McCain, a great issue to bash both the previous regime (giving him distance) and to rally a lot of the moderates and independents and then the general Repugnican base.

Impeachment is painful...for Democrats we still are pissed about the Clenis while Repugnicans still aren't satisfied and still burn about Watergate. It's been a no-win situation for either party that attempts to use it for a political game/tool...or move to gain more power.

The only way Impeachment can ever be possible is if it's overwhelmingly bi-partisan...where asshat's disapproval numbers with his own coven hits 60% or more. Criminality, as we have seen with these hive-dwellers means nothing.

Cheers...
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