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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:27 PM
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Benjamin Franklin slaps the shit out of Trent Lott
"Some prominent Republicans defended the surveillance, arguing it was necessary to combat terrorism. 'I don't agree with the libertarians,' said Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.). 'I want my security first. I'll deal with all the details after that.'"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121601825_pf.html

Benjamin Franklin responds:

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

http://www.futureofthebook.com/stories/storyReader$605

Fuck you, Trent, you fucking coward.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:27 PM
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1. Oh, it's quotes
I thought he'd risen from the grave to beat the ever-loving snot out of Trent ;)

One can dream
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:29 PM
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2. With the Republicans talking like this, maybe he will.
But he won't smell too good, that's for sure.

-Leslie Nielson, "Airplane"
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:10 PM
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16. There would have been many of us that would have paid good money to
have witnessed it, in any case....:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:29 PM
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3. and they say how tough these repugs are. what wusses in reality. i am
afraid i am afraid. i think these need to be taped, make a commercial showing the cowardness of our repugs.
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:30 PM
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4. Hey Trent, I hear that solitary confinement is the optimum in security
You should probably try it out.
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:31 PM
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5. Worry about the details later? Sort of like Iraq, eh?
And that is working out brilliantly.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:34 PM
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8. "Strategy...
they don't need no stinking strategy". I just want to know if Halliburton got the contract for surveillance too? If they did then maybe we shouldn't worry, those assholes could fuck up a wet dream.;) (regardless, I do believe it is time to worry)
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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:33 PM
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6. This is not about spying.
Too many people I talk to defend the need to catch terrorists as justifying the President's actions. This is not about the need to catch terrorists. This is about whether the President has the right to break the law and supersede our nation's proud tradition of check in balances in government.

The reason we have these checks and balances is to insure that the spying is about terrorism and not for another agenda.

Our laws require that our President follow a procedure. Our King decided he was above the law and above the people he serves.

Why is congress tip-toeing around this?

They are afraid of what this sneaky administration might have on them.

Same with the profit driven media.

It's up to the people to demand accountability from our government.

As we are doing here and all over the internet. We can not let this be ignored. America has been hijacked.

Blog on Patriots!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:35 PM
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9. The Constitution, more specifically,
which the Chimp took an oath to uphold.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:29 AM
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19. I agree. It's about the lack of warrants and other such protections.
It's not a trade off between security or liberty. If the government simply bothers to obtain warrants, a court will allow all spying consistent with security and stop the spying on domestic political opponents.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:34 PM
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7. Anyone Willing To Give Up Their Essential Liberty for Saftey are Cowards
And I despise them for forcing thier paranoia and fear on me. Fucking nazis.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:39 PM
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10. Have any Libertarians spoke out on this?
Bob Barr did. How about Cato?

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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:42 PM
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11. Do any Republicans remember that Republicans believe in
"a small government that stays out of it's citizen's lives"?

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:43 PM
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12. Trent Lott : the essential coward. Typical Republican.
I've found most Republicans to be cowards. They are all about weapons and killing the enemy. It's because they are cowards who couldn't stand up to a challenge without a weapon.

"He who lives by the sword, shall die by it"
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:32 PM
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13. Here is something I posted in another thread
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 01:35 PM by ashling
that seems spplicable here as well:

Nixon used this policy as well.


Everything was couched in terms of "national security." It lead him to use unethical and illegal means to affect the outcome of elections. Kind of like... er, scratch that, EXACTLY like Bush has done since he stumbled into the White House in 2000.

John Henry Falk, Texas humorist who was a victim of the McCarthy era, said that what Nixon got tripped up over was trivial, compared to the extent of his crimes. He said (and I won't quote, because I can't remember exactly how he put it) that Nixon had been raping, pillaging, and burning all these years, and we caught him at a stoplight.

Well, this NASA "authorization" was trivial compared to the way he has been lying right and left to do whatever the hell he wants. Using national security as an excuse to cover his crimes and demonize anyone who would have the temerity to point them out for what they are: CRIMES.

on edit: when the end justifies the means, and the end is in Bush's mind (a dark and mystefying place), then anything and everything is justified, even altering election results all in the name of "national security."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:35 PM
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14. Surveillance, or "a concerted secret domestic spying program?"
Thanks to DUer mike c., but I like the latter def. Enforces how serious this really is.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 01:52 PM
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15. It's not that Lott is a coward, it's that he's cheerleading the American
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 01:55 PM by Nothing Without Hope
public to take the "stand" that he is pushing. This is the Kool-Aid and they're supposed to drink it. The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld WH is orchestating a response as they always have done. Gotta break some eggs to make that bowl of scrambled eggs. Or gotta bust that piece-of-paper Constitution to make everybody "safe."

It's basically the same thing Bush said - it's OK to break the law, ignore the Constitution, and keep it all secret as long as the Preznit thinks it's good for you. He KNOWS ALL. (Excerpt when he's caught doing NOTHING in an urgent situation, in which case he says he gets the same intelligence that Congress does, and it's all THEIR fault.)

Probably similar to some things that were said during Hitler's rise to power.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:14 PM
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17. This also seems like a perfect place to repost "They Thought THey were
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 02:16 PM by BrklynLiberal
Free" excerpt originally posted by NoMoreMyths
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5621341

If you read the entire essay, it will scare you into crying.....


http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop.Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 05:48 PM
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18. Kick nt
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