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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:55 PM
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If there are no impeachment proceedings, there is but one response...
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 02:56 PM
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1. Here! Here! Well said. Sentiment shared, most intimately. n/t
PB
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:51 PM
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17. Yeah, those forefathers knew what they were sayin'
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:02 PM
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2. What is that LoonyLeftist Drivel? Don't you know our nation is
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 03:04 PM by petgoat
at war? :sarcasm:

WorldCantWait is organizing demonstrations for late January

http://worldcantwait.org/
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:02 PM
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3. Hmmm.
Another George, another declaration of Independence. Articles of impeachment might be a better solution.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:16 PM
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9. The thing is, we are in a one party state. The Supreme Soviet did not
impeach Stalin.

Unlike the Founding Fathers, I am not inspired to violence. But our country is under serious dictatorial assault. I think our constitution may not survive. The constitution exists only when the people respect it and treasure it. At this point it is debatable whether the current generation in the US is worthy of US history. I suspect it isn't.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:36 PM
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13. One party state?
Are you saying that the Democrats are just Republicans with a different name? Are you part of the current generation? Am I? Please don't rush to the judgment of 280 million people.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes..." . Most Americans believe that statement, it takes time for them to come around---watch out when they do.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:55 PM
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18. No. I am saying the Democrats have no power.
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 03:57 PM by NNadir
In 1974 when Nixon was driven from power, the Democrats controlled Congress. Thus effective checks and balances existed.

The current Republican controlled congress is a nearly powerless rubber stamp for administration diktats. It is completely lacking in ethics and integrity. It is not a check on administration criminality; it is a participant in this criminality.

I note that the US Constitution was written without reference to political parties. The founders in conceiving in checks and balances did not address the possibility that the congress would be in league with the President or with the person acting as President. The men who wrote the Constitution, men like Madison and Franklin and Washington, came from a time in which public life involved integrity and honor. They could not conceive of a set of criminal men and women such as we have now, mostly but not totally represented by the Republican Party, holding the power of government. They had no vision or experience with a state controlled media run by sound bites.

I am not a wide eyed shit-for-brains Naderite of the sort who imagines that there is no difference between our political parties. But we, the Democrats, are in no position to legally defend the Republic. I believe that our democracy is in severe danger of destruction. We have come to this point because we have not understood the responsibility that participating in a democracy involves.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:54 PM
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21. I disagree.
The Democrats are not the majority in Congress but they are by no means a helpless minority, as recent events have shown. Nor is the media state controlled; I read the NY Times and WaPo and I haven't noticed that their editorial and op-ed pages are Republican noise machines, plus there's lots of alternative media, not to mention the internet. I'm not being fatuously optimistic, but I don't think Congress is helpless and corrupt nor are things as gloomy as you state.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 07:15 PM
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28. One word.
Diebold.

Wake up. The media may not be "state controlled" but the elections sure are.

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:28 PM
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37. Well you're entitled to your opinion. The NYT and WashPo in my
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 08:29 PM by NNadir
opinion are trying now to place window dressing on some pretty despicable behavior. You have heard of Judith Miller, no? Or the decision to shit can domestic spying stories for over a year? Or the decision NOT to mention any of the Iraqi dead?

For my money, the press is very much state controlled. Maybe it's more sophisticated about seeming less so than the old Tass news agency, but it pretty much produces the party line. To have watched the American media was to have lots of screaming about the weapons of mass destruction. There is not one weather report anywhere that can say the words "global climate change." Suddenly torture and "intelligent design" have become matters for serious "debate."

In any case, most people don't read; they watch TV. Fox and CNN are ubiquitious. They cannot be escaped in public.

I used to travel quite a bit, and one of the things that has become inescapable is CNN, which plays everywhere in airports. I don't know if you've carefully read 1984, but the comparison with Orwell's telescreen is inescapable. I was travelling at the time in which the war in Iraq was being hyped. I certainly felt like I was in Oceania, and not the US. I couldn't shut off the lying fraudulent traps of Wolf Blitzer and the rascist freak Lou Dobbs. Very much like Winston Smith, I was powerless to turn them off.

As for the Democrats, Goldstein lives.

I wish I could be optimistic, fatuously or otherwise, but the fact is that the US is done for. It is a one party Soviet State, and like the Soviet State, it will need a huge irretrievable collapse before it gets any better.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:15 PM
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20. Yes, I agree but,
It's damned hard to be patient when you're ahead of apparently about 279 million of 'em.

-Hoot

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:03 PM
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4. Kick and Recommended
Great rant. What will it take to get american's off there fat asses?
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:12 PM
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7. Seriously?
It would take something pretty monumental. And not just some sily "spying" in Washington. Something like 30-40% unemployment, mass starvation, tens of thousands dying because of the cold (or heat), millions of middle- and lower-middle class people being tossed from their homes.

The vast majority of people in this country don't care what happens in Washington. Any scandal that comes out probably involves just as many Democrats as Republicans and none of them can be trusted. On the other hand, I've got a cold beer, a football game on TV and a job and two or three kids that keep me too busy to worry that much about it. As long as I keep my nose clean and stay out of the way, I'll be fine.

That is middle America. By the time they get off their asses and do something it will be far too late.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:27 PM
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12. Regrettably, I agree.....
There just aren't enough Americans in the boat that blue-collar workers, like me, have been in for 25 years now.

We need even more white-collar types to find themselves in Year 5 (or 8 or 10) of a relentless economic backward slide.

(Un)fortunately, I judge that we will cross that threshold sometime this year.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:16 PM
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36. Land of the free, home of the brave... kind of, sort of
We are going to keep our heads firmly planted up our butts until it's too late. When people are hungry, when their money is worthless, they'll look up and look around. Then it'll be time for that prayer about how "when they came for me there was no one left to speak out."
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 07:13 PM
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27. Inflation that we've never experience before.
You know...$40.00 for a potato or $100 for a loaf of bread....like Germany was experiencing after World War I or the southern states after the Civil War.

The only way middle America wakes up is when it hits them in their big, fat, comfortable, lazy, selfish asses.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:06 PM
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5. Walt Starr, you are now on the FBI and NSA most watched list
for quoting the Declaration of Independence. That should teach you to quit reading and ignore history.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:12 PM
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6. I figured they started watching me in 2001
after I wrote about Enronomics.
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:50 PM
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16. The declaration never existed
It was made up in recent years by left-wing satirists. And we have always been at war with Eurasia.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:14 PM
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8. The Declaration is such a masterful work
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:25 PM
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10. And sack every member of the House who would not vote to impeach and sack
every Senator who would not vote to convict it the evidence overwhelmingly supports same?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:25 PM
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11. They didn't have machine guns and tanks back then.
It isn't very realistic to think that a "piece of paper" would mean much to these clowns.
If millions marching in the streets of the planet isn't good enough, then I really doubt this would be much more effective.
You have made it very obvious- the parallels to King George. I love it.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:38 PM
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14. Revolution by peaceful vote - it really is possible!
In a corporate controlled country like ours, the people's wishes don't have much significance. It is extremely unlikely that Bush will be impeached, just as it failed to happen in Reagan's case in spite of all the Iran-Contra scandal. They even wanted to put him on Mount Rushmore - yikes!

But armed revolution is not necessary.

Please people, pay attention to this. Our only hope in getting out of the mess we are in is democracy! Democracy is government by the people. We, the people, are sovereign, not our elected officials according to our Constitution.

If we enact the National Initiative for Democracy, we can make a recall election for any public official - including the President - any time we wish. We, the people, need to formalize our sovereign law making power. Let's do it!
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:42 PM
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15. I'm so there - read Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 05:09 PM
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23. Incredible blog and web site, GuvWurld. Wow! Very impressive.
Thank you for giving us voice and direction!

I absolutely love this:

Returning to Rebecca Solnit’s “Hope In The Dark” and paraphrasing her example of the
definition of revolution: If we imagine a nation’s leader being impeached, forced to
resign, or otherwise driven from office, yet the corrupt and exploitative power structure is
left intact, this is not revolution; for no matter how hated the fallen leader may have been,
the balance of power in the relationship between the People and the government will
remain unchanged. It is only when this balance has shifted that we may rightfully call it
revolution. Since we currently have no say in elections, in influencing changes in
leadership, revolution can be no less than restoring the franchise. In this way, peaceful
revolution is not grandiose; it is the least we can do!


EXCELLENT! :thumbsup:



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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:03 PM
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30. Thanks Beam Me Up. For more direction...
Check out the latest GuvWurld campaign. This kicked off last Monday night. It is a campaign to unite California election reformers. We are not only standing against Diebold, but also calling for investigations of elections officials in the 17 counties where Diebold admitted installing uncertified software. Who allowed this happen? Was there local complicity or just negligence? We're going to district attorneys, grand juries, city councils, county supervisors and the media. We are citing various reports including the most damning one yet, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) report (p.38):
Nevertheless, there is evidence that some of these concerns—including weak controls and inadequate testing—have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes.
Current election conditions guarantee inconclusive outcomes. The only acceptable attitude from elections officials and local government is pro-active determination to improve these conditions. Anyone resigned to the status quo should resign their position and make way for someone who will work for these improvements. Already the Eureka Times-Standard and Eureka Reporter have mentioned the call for resignation aimed at the Humboldt County elections manager.

Of course there has been so much more related to Diebold in the news. Click here for a roundup on the campaign and week in election news.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:07 PM
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19. Whah?
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.


Yikes. I'm not sure you want to go there.

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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:58 PM
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22. Uh...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 06:39 PM
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25. Hi Zebedeo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 06:49 PM
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26. Hi!
:toast: :beer: :hi: :pals:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 05:23 PM
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24. kicked & recomended
:kick:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 09:49 PM
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29. After the fartfest he called a "speech", I felt this needed kicking...n/t
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:11 AM
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31. They don't recognize laws, they will not stand for impeachment
When considering the possibility of impeachment, it seems the obvious thing to first wonder what it would take to get enough Republicans to make it possible. It is fair to consider that a long shot. Even supposing it happens, though, I don't see how the national debate could be framed merely around high crimes and misdemeanors. Clearly there are war crime implications and in particular the War Crime Act of 1996, which Newsweek wrote about in May 2004:
Memos Reveal War Crimes Warnings

By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
Updated: 9:14 a.m. ET May 19, 2004

May 17 - The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush administration in the war on terrorism, according to an internal White House memo and interviews with participants in the debate over the issue.

The concern about possible future prosecution for war crimes—and that it might even apply to Bush adminstration officials themselves— is contained in a crucial portion of an internal January 25, 2002, memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales obtained by NEWSWEEK. It urges President George Bush declare the war in Afghanistan, including the detention of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, exempt from the provisions of the Geneva Convention.

In the memo, the White House lawyer focused on a little known 1996 law passed by Congress, known as the War Crimes Act, that banned any Americans from committing war crimes—defined in part as "grave breaches" of the Geneva Conventions. Noting that the law applies to "U.S. officials" and that punishments for violators "include the death penalty," Gonzales told Bush that "it was difficult to predict with confidence" how Justice Department prosecutors might apply the law in the future. This was especially the case given that some of the language in the Geneva Conventions—such as that outlawing "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners—was "undefined."

We are talking about a fascist cabal that does not respect the law. I do not think we can expect them to willingly stand trial at risk of the death penalty. Just as terror warnings regularly coincide with increased sunlight on the administration, I think we can count on the final excuse for martial law coming along when impeachment seems imminent, if not sooner.

So, as mentioned up thread, this isn't where I'm putting my chips. I have long since stopped sitting on my hands. My plan, and my call to action, are found in Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 04:09 AM
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32. Kick
:kick:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:11 AM
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33. .
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:57 PM
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34. Thanks for posting this, Walt.
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 12:59 PM by Stand and Fight
ON EDIT: After reading through the responses on this tread...

It's sad that an alarming number of DUers on this thread don't seem to recognize that this is the founding document of this country -- the Declaration of Independence.

What does that say about why this country is in so much trouble now and why thugs are within the government are so wide spread?

Sad, sad, sad...

I commend you for posting this, but I am shocked that so many do not know that it is the DoI.
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 01:17 PM
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35. Now THAT makes me feel PATRIOTIC!
Damn Right!
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