Bush's talking point "Defeatism" is aimed at making Dems NOT speak truth.

His political team is using this to try to stop the truth from being spoken. The goal is just as much to stop the truth as it is to try to get them to say something to be called "Defeatists." For example, the trap set on the Iraq war vote was as much an attempt (successful) to try to stop Dems from voting against it as it was trying to label those who did vote against it. The point being that by not speaking the truth on the vote for the Iraq war the Dems effectively let Bush win.

I don't claim to know exactly what to do, but I think we already know that by trying to avoid the Bush traps, we actually fall into them. So, my point is that Dems can't fall into the trap of not speaking the truth again.

Keep fighting.

remember what someone once said:

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." (George Orwell)

I'd say we're just about there.

if you question him you are somehow weak and a defeatist. I told my father Bush calls us defeatists but I would believe I am a realist.

when I heard that he was calling us defeatists. Basically what it means is, "Yeah, I hear you, but I don't care, cause I'm teh Preznit and I M l337 LOLOLOLOLOL."

traps. He has gone into the lion's den at FAUX and is just brilliant at deflecting the leading questions that are aimed at trying to put words in his mouth. He is dumping the truth on the FAUX bimbos and an unsuspecting audience of Fox fools....

"Victory" as defined by Bush is completely meaningless and shifts with the wind (it used to be finding Saddam's WMD's, now it's democratizing the Middle East - next week it could be an iPod for every Iraqi, who knows?). Bush's trick is to keep throwing the word around as if it means something. Therefore I would suggest something like the following:

"Democrats are totally committed to victory in the war on terror and victory in Iraq. It should be obvious to everybody by now that the president and Republicans in Washington are not capable of bringing us that victory."

Or to sloganize it for 2006: "Want Words? Vote Republican. Want Victory? Vote Democratic."

I think I'm going to call this my "D for Victory" campaign.

Our definition of "victory," of course, is somewhat different to Bush's (ie. it involves bringing the troops home as opposed to leaving them there to be slaughtered, among other things). But taking a leaf from the Bush playbook, it appears that one doesn't actually have to explain what "victory" is in order to achieve it. If anyone asks you how victory will be achieved or what your definition of victory is, you just call them a defeatist who must hate America.

The only flaw in my plan is that it's much easier for Republicans to pull this shit off than it is for Democrats, because we actually have a conscience.

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The last line says it all.

I remember it as: Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. He is such a transparent bully but more and more he is being called on it.

Another thing that really bothered me was his maintaining that Iraqi defense forces had improved substantially from their numbers a year ago. Is it just me or wasn't Bushco selling the line a year ago that the defense forces were already significant? I'll have to check with the Ministry of Truth on that.

Bush always only speaks to Republicans in his speeches. Democrats are never spoken to directly.
It's extremely insulting, really.

The point was to give his Believers and leaners the 'defeatism' talking point.
Which is basically an appeal to ego and against rationality.

The way to beat it is to keep them explaining what 'victory' is. 'Victory' to them is, of course, any behavior or outcome that minimizes or avoids damage to Republican egos, that makes them feel good or feel relief. They can't admit that, of course. So the game is to keep pointing out the equation of Victory=Intact Republican Ego and daring them to refute it.

Reality is cruel and the final arbiter of their designs, and I don't see Republican ego undamaged as their project in Iraq spirals to its destruction.