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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:34 AM
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Gonzales lying now on MSNBC.
He says the Coward's legal authority for this domestic spying was congress' authorization of use of force.

But the spying began long BEFORE the IWR, did it not?
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:34 AM
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1. lying only makes it worse
this is becoming a big scandal. hopefully fitz can add more fuel to the fire by sending rove to his swan song.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:35 AM
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2. Oh yeah...law broken! Pants down! Someone gave him a blow job!
Impeach the fucker!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:36 AM
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3. He might be talking about right after 9/11, not the IWR.
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:38 AM
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4. That is the way I understood it... Afghanistan nt
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:39 AM
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7. You're probably right, but the AG is still a liar.
About something. They're all liars.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:41 AM
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8. Even with that authority, Bush still does NOT have the right to
break the law and violate his oath of office.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:38 AM
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5. We can hope the press has as good a memory as we do
but we know they haven't the cajones to use it.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:39 AM
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6. If the stupid bastards would read history they would understand
when you are in a hole stop digging. more lying just makes it worse, at some point an apology won't work.
Me thinks they have passed that point, I hope.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:45 AM
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9. is he gonna take questions?
n/t
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:49 AM
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10. Then why did BushCO go to the FISA court...
...in some cases, but not all? Why didn't he ignore FISA 100% of the time? If he thought the IWR gave him the authority, then why did he sometimes act like he knew it didn't?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:19 AM
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15. good point
He only went there if he was 100% sure on the outcome. Any question of hemming and hawing you have to go with Gonzales.. Mr. Fixit.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:52 AM
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11. Never trust a man who colors his hair. nt
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:54 AM
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12. Did the IWR authorize domestic spying?
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:13 AM
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13. Congress may pass all the "Acts" and "Laws" they want. They do NOT....
trump the United States Constitution and spying on Americans w/o going through the legal system and getting the proper LEGAL approval is unCONSTITUTIONAL no matter what "permission" some dim witted politicians think they have.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:17 AM
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14. Bush's houseboy..
He has spent his entire legal career figuring out how to "make things legal" for the BFEE. His only expertise is in getting around statutes. This is what he did in Texas, this is what he did about torture, and this is what he is doing now.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:22 AM
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16. They're not just liars
they are incompetent liars!


geeeessshhh....

They've had only 3-1/2 to 4 years to destroy the educational system but that's not enough time to dumb down America enough to believe the stupid crap this administration is spewing!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:33 AM
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17. What FISA (50 USC 1811) Says ...
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 09:35 AM by TahitiNut
Here's what 50 USC 1811 says ...
Section 1811. Authorization during time of war

Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress.

It must be noted that this statute is very specific. It doesn't make the (now) vague reference to "state of war" or "wartime" or "at war." It specifically requires "a declaration of war by the Congress" to bypass a court order! It even then limits such surveillance to fifteen days!

These people are lying through their teeth, completely fabricating a legal 'reality' that just does not exist.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:12 AM
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18. It also says "foreign intelligence information"....not domestic...
No where is there authority to spy on American citizens.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:17 AM
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19. There was no declaration of war by Congress....
therefore no authorization, even for 15 days!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:33 AM
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20. Exactly. That's the 'due process' defined, as required by the Constitution
In abrogating due process, the Bushoilini Regime has deliberately and consciously violated the Constitution.
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