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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:49 AM
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So why is NASA involved in this whole spying thing?
:shrug:

I don't get it. Are they using spy satellites on Americans now?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:49 AM
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1. where are you getting that from?
Are you confusing NSA with NASA?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:52 AM
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9. Bush said it himself in his speech today.
He said that he authorized NASA to do these wiretaps. Heard it with my own ears.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:59 AM
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16. He must have mispoke again!
The guy is a total idiot!!! I make a slip every now and again, but for christs sake, IM NOT THE FUCKING PRESIDENT!!!! He does it multiple times every day!!!
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:53 AM
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11. Bush said NASA....I'm sure he meant NSA, but he clearly said NASA..
Who f'en knows what he really meant. Hell, they could be using NASA, nothing would surprise me anymore.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:49 AM
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2. NSA
National Security Agency.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:50 AM
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3. I think the idiot misspoke, called NSA "NASA" -
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 11:51 AM by marylanddem


On edit: Or maybe he thinks they're the same thing...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:50 AM
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4. Just another Bushism for NSA
Sadly, the poor bastard probably doesn't realize that NSA and NASA are two different entities.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:50 AM
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5. ,
:spray:

Thank you, Walt. How many times do you think they had to correct him when they were practicing for the speech and press conference?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:51 AM
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he did indeed say NASA
for NSA. The Fucking idiot scares me.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:51 AM
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6. oh, NASA's been after me for years now...
Goddammit, I took your human "citizenship test", now leave me alone.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:51 AM
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7. Didn't he mean NSA? He prolly mispronounces NASA "nassau"
like he mispronounces so many words, and thinks NSA is pronounced NASA. OR....NASA is spying on us! (of course NASA has always been a gov't spy tool and money laundering tool, not science)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:51 AM
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8. Your telephone goes through satellites and the NSA depends
on NASA/USAF launched satellites placed along the "line of sight" to intercept the microwave signals. Did you think NASA was only for peaceful, scientific exploration?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:53 AM
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10. just a major part of the evil military industrial complex that runs the
country (and the world)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:57 AM
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15. NASA military projects are a HUGE black box.
The US wouldn't spend 1/3 of the money it does on "civilian" uses if the development of technology didn't facilitate military applications.

Got GPS in your car? Well it's origin is in targeting control of ballistic missiles.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:00 PM
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17. NASA launches satellites but only owns 2 that I know of.
And those two are in geosynchronous orbit, which would render them useless as spy satellites.

In answer to your question...Yes, NASA is only for peaceful scientific exploration, to the best of my knowledge.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:03 PM
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18.  I'll continue to disagree.
Call me tinfoil if you want. I was part of the intelligence community at the beginning of microwave...
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:14 PM
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19. No way NASA gets all its money to engage in peaceful science.
No possible way.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:31 PM
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21. It's possible that some NASA R&D spills over into DoD projects.
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 12:32 PM by XNASA
But NASA isn't in the spy business. Other agencies are much better equipped to handle things like that. NASA is heavily dependent on contractors for R&D, so why wouldn't the DoD go directly to those contractors?

Are you suggesting that NASA is developing some kind of Death Ray? :shrug:
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 01:58 PM
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23. No, just that everything developed is co-opted and weaponized.
Just about EVERYTHING mankind ever develops is exploited by the military, or at least those folks try to figure out How can we use this for war?. NASA just does it much more knowingly than the average joe or jane who's inventing something for peaceful use. And I'm 100% convinced that alot of money is funneled into black programs (thus they cut corners and oops the shuttles blow up now and again).
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:23 PM
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27. Even Tang?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:02 PM
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28. Can you say dual purpose? NASA has been a beard for space command
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 03:11 PM by HereSince1628
I'm not suggesting NASA is interested in developing weapons, and I am not saying every NASA employee would have contact with projects that serve the US military.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:55 AM
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12. bushturd is an idiot
I'm surprised he didn't have the FDA involved somehow.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:56 AM
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13. Bwahahahahaha, the backpack prompter not working again?
Pay no attention to the roly poly boy behing the curtain.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:57 AM
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14. I heard it, too. Maybe they are using SETI.....
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:31 PM
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20. NASA is involved with NSA but sort of "Secret" - there are two "Hubbles"
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 12:32 PM by papau
mirrors in space for example.

Folks wonder why NASA ordered two mirrors to be built -

and then they wonder why the large crate for the second unused mirror is under guard.

The obvious answer is that there is no second mirror in that "spare" crate.

It was launched as a spy Sat long ago.

NASA also launches as NSA requests any spy Sat. Indeed all you get from NSA or NASA about such a launch is that a classified Sat was launched.


Now you do not expect Bush to keep NSA and NASA and what they do clear in his mind, now do you?

Where is that damn transmitter??? - and no photo's from behind guys, heh, heh, heh!

:-)
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:32 PM
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22. I was LMAO when he said that. What a dumb POS. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:02 PM
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24. Like the " I-E-A-E..um. .I-A-E-I...um..those inspector-guys"..
He's such a dolt..a LOW volt dolt, at that :)
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:04 PM
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25. That would be the NRO
The National Reconnaissance Office, another little known spy organization.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:15 PM
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26. Transcript only says NSA. Goofball misspoke (Freudian, tho?)
Here's the part where he actually said NASA:

"And we're guarding the civil liberties by monitoring the program on a regular basis, by having the folks at NSA, the legal team, as well as the inspector general, monitor the program, and we're briefing Congress. This is a part of our effort to protect the American people. The American people expect us to protect them and protect their civil liberties. I'm going to do that. That's my job, and I'm going to continue doing my job."
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