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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:03 PM
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Has anyone heard from any Constitutional scholars regarding spying?
And I don't mean Alberto Gonzolas. Have any law professors chimed in on the legality of domestic spying? I want to know why Bush says that what he has been doing is legal.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:09 PM
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1. Boxer on it
asking from 4 scholars.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:09 PM
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2. Alan Dershowitz was on one of the cable news shows tonight
and pretty much said that there is no authority for Bush's action and that it should be investigated by Congress for potential legal proceedings.

But then again, the local talking heads on the morning drive time radio show here were fawning over Bush this morning about how safe they feel that he has taken such action because they are sure that them or any of their listeners have no connections to Al-Queda so they see no problem with anything.

Like Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who would trade their freedom for security, deserve neither."
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:33 PM
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4. Civil liberties aside, why do these yahoos feel safe?
Even if the wiretaps yield useful information, it doesn't translate into action being taken. It's not like the White House was all over that "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." presidential daily briefing from August 6, 2001.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:36 PM
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6. You got me, but if you come up with an answer let me know
I was so nauseated listing to it I wanted to puke. These people do not deserve the freedom they were born into.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:27 PM
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3. I heard a radio interview this afternoon
with Johnathan Turley from George Washington University Law School. I'm not sure of his credentials, but he sounded very knowledgeable. He was pretty definitive in stating that Bush overstepped his powers.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:40 PM
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8. Professor Turley teaches courses on constitutional law..here's a short bio
Jonathan Turley
Professor Jonathan Turley is a nationally recognized legal scholar who has written extensively in areas ranging from constitutional law to legal theory to tort law. He has written over three dozen academic articles that have appeared in a variety of leading law journals at Cornell, Duke, Harvard, Northwestern, and other schools. Professor Turley most recently completed a three-part study of the historical and constitutional evolution of military system. This study, entitled “The Military Pocket Republic,” will be published in three parts by Northwestern University Law Review and George Washington University Law Review.

After a stint at Tulane Law School , Professor Turley joined the George Washington faculty in 1990 and, in 1998, was given the prestigious Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law, the youngest chaired professor in the school’s history. In addition to his extensive publications, Professor Turley has served as counsel in some of the most notable cases in the last two decades. These include his representation of the Area 51 workers at a secret air base in Nevada ; the nuclear couriers at Oak Ridge , Tennessee ; the Rocky Flats grand jury in Colorado ; the husband in the famous Elizabeth Morgan custody controversy; and four former United States Attorneys General during the Clinton impeachment litigation. Professor Turley has also represented espionage defendants, including his recent victory in defense of Petty Officer Daniel King, who faced the death penalty for alleged spying for Russia. Turley has served as a consultant on homeland security issues for members of Congress and the American Legislative Exchange Counsel, the country’s largest organization of state legislators.

Professor Turley is a frequent witness before the House and Senate on constitutional and statutory issues as well as tort reform legislation. Professor Turley is also a nationally recognized legal commentator. Professor Turley was ranked as 38th in the top 100 most cited “public intellectuals” in the recent study by Judge Richard Posner. Turley was found to be the second most cited law professor in the country. Professor Turley’s articles on legal and policy issues appear regularly in national publications with over 400 articles in such newspapers as the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Los Angeles Times and Wall Street Journal. Professor Turley also appears regularly as a legal expert on all of the major television networks, including past work as the on-air Legal Analyst for NBC NEWS and CBS NEWS during the impeachment and election controversies. Professor Turley is often a guest on Sunday talk shows with over two dozen appearances on Meet the Press, ABC This Week, Face the Nation, and Fox Sunday.

Professor Turley teaches courses on constitutional law, constitutional criminal law, environmental law, litigation, and torts. He is the founder and executive director of the Project for Older Prisoners (POPS). Professor Turley is also the Executive Director of the George Washington Environmental Law Advocacy Center .
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:44 PM
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10. Thanks.
It sounds like he would know.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:35 PM
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5. Lots of Constitutional scholars in the Gun Dungeon
And they'll tell you that if Bushie ain't takin' their guns, then what he's doin' is perfectly legal, and you should just mind your own business so you don't get hurt...
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:38 PM
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7. Well Senators Levin and Feingold just weighed in on this today.
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 09:39 PM by Gregorian
And they mentioned how if there were to be an independent prosecutor, it should not be the present Attorney General. And they sited various parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I think you have your answer there. They can't find any way that he didn't violate the law.
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Gogi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:42 PM
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9. Dan Abrams' ( 'Abrams Report') father is a well known and respected...
Constitutional scholar. Think I'll check his show tomorrow on MSNBC.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:57 PM
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11. Paging Harriet Miers
She's just the gal for this job.
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