The SOB is going to get away with it, isn't he?

I watched NBC News tonight and the domestic spying case was presented as though there is some legitimate legal argument and debate about Bush's supposed authority to conduct warrantless wiretaps. No rebuttal to the ridiculous claims that it is sanctioned by the constitution or the war resolution or some "inherent" power of the President. No calls for the President to disclose the scope of what was done.

I am very pessimistic that anything at all will come of it.

on journalists. If you can buy them, scare them.

Talk to everyone you know about this. Yell it from the rooftops. If we all do that, the media whores will buckle.

The prick has clearly broken a law, and he's just as clearly admitted to it. Not all the dems are gutless, and this might be the proverbial straw.

And the Repugs have painted themselves into a corner with their bogus impeachment of Clinton. After all, it was "rule of law, rule of law, rule of law."

This is unmistakably, undisputedly, unabashedly a violation of the rule of law.

too costly to let it go, even if they want to. This is a president announcing that he's not only above the law, but that the Legislative Branch is irrelevant. If they let it go, they'll prove him right.

That's what I say too. Too many times the boy king has slipped the noose. Until and unless he finally gets his ass nailed to the wall.....it's just another jaw-dropping scandal involving him directly or his administration. Sad but true.

Look, anyone who has 9/11 happen on his watch and campaigns on being the best candidate for safeguarding the nation without being called on it can get away with ANYTHING.

is left?

The talking heads yesterday were praising him for it. History won't be very kind to Smirk, but he'll ride high until we hit rock bottom.

without looking at them at all.

There's nothing there, so they had to pretend.

This is just beginning to grow legs. What is not known yet, but will be revealed in short order is that the spying was not on suspected terrorists but people Bushco deemed to be political enemies. This is the smoking gun! This is what got Nixon impeached. By the way, John Dean, former White House Counsel to Nixon, says that this spy issue is an impeachable offense. And he should know.

There will be no investigation by Congress, of course, so the information will have to come from within the administration in the form of another leak.

this is impeachable. This is only going to get bigger.

He knows the stakes, hence the aggressive defensive mode. He's laid out his whole case today, and it only goes down from here. Every single bill, every single appointment, every single proposal from here to January 2009 is about this.

He only wins if people keep saying things like "The SOB is going to get away with it, isn't he?". I for one refuse to say such a thing. He will NOT get away with it. He IS going to be impeached, and he IS going to stand charged with crimes against our country. He's a traitor, a thief, and a murderer, and he WILL be brought to justice.

Pessimism is defeatism. I won't have any part of it.

long enough..you will forget how to think.

If you know the names of any sponsors, we should boycott. We should also boycott NBC for not being "fair and balanced."

"... presented as though there is some legitimate legal argument and debate about Bush's supposed authority ..."

And therein lies, as they say, 'the catch'. We've been hearing from Repugs for the last forty-eight hours about this alleged 'legitimate legal argument'. And yet, Bush knew as of his December 6 meeting with the NYT powers-that-be that the story was going to print.

And all of the king's horses and all of his men STILL HAVEN'T come up with the 'law' that allowed Bush to do what he did.

If they haven't discovered a legal loophole by now, it means one doesn't exist.

And by the way, NBC News? Aren't they one of the networks (along with all of the other MSM networks) that have totally ignored every anti-Bush story for the last five years?

I think some really ugly stuff is going to come out about exactly who was being spied on - whoever the sources for the story are, are still out there & probably have little to lose at this point. Everything at NSA is compartmentalized so I'm assuming that whoever leaked this - if it came from NSA - is pretty high up & aware of the larger picture...and the larger picture will emerge. The cat is half out of the bag...

You win the prize. Now this will be real shock and awe.

I despair of any charges at ALL landing on any of them. Libby's doesn't mean squat. They are absolutely Teflon.

Who's Libby?

Here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9853261/

your link is about the Plame-leak investigation.

You asked who he was. I mentioned him at all because he's the only one in the Bush administration whose been charged with ANYTHING.
Oh, I guess there's the little dab against Delay--still not enough.

I wouldn't be so optimistic...

right???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5643250&mesg_id=5643661

Right?

on edit: yep, I'm POKING.

'Poke' someone else.

Don't give a fuck if you "don't play that." All you're playing so far is RW memes.

:hi: Never give up.

You're the first to say that--I appreciate it!

Submission. Take action and scream your outrage. You decide this country's fate, no one else:


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and he lost....I think the Supreme Court has ruled on it.

He's patting himself on the back like it's a good thing.

Both channels had guests who commented that Bush's choice to circumvent the already friendly FISA courts raises serious concerns. The obvious implication being that he's been spying on his political enemies.

Nothing will happen. It's not being pessimistic but realistic. Pretty much no one cares. We've all read on here countless times about how this or that was the end of the Bush administration but I will believe it when I see it. I wouldn't be surprised if his rating goes up to 75% approval soon.

I disagree. I think the chump's time is up.

he's been getting away with it for almost five years now.

never going to happen.

There's no political will to impeach him and Cheney so that is basically that. He can do whatever he wants.

"I watched NBC News tonight and <...>"

watched them use their first amendment right (provided that they weren't, for example, defaming anyone or inciting a riot) to say what they wanted to say and omit saying what they didn't want to say.

Note: NBC News could require all its employees to wear hallowe'en costumes during all broadcasts. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It has no official authority.

the Senate, the Court AND the press. This is horrific and gets worse each day.

when the Senate holds hearings on this, then we will get better coverage of the issues.. At this point the whores are stuck with "go george" and the rest are stuck with "whaaaaahhh????"

this will unfold, quickly, and we must let our views be known to our representatives and to the media to get them out of their stuck place and into the arena of true justice.

This is NEW territory to most--it is VERY IMPORTANT to not be silent so the press don't have to make it up on their own. NOW is the time to SPEAK OUT! Especially if you are pessimistic. When we go down, at least you can say to yourself "I tried--I spoke out.I didn't surrender and let it happen without protesting." If we wind up in Guantanamo that will comfort you. And if you scream loud enough maybe BUSH will go to Gitmo.

That might be the only comfort we wind up with, so go for it! NOW is the time!

NGU! (never give up)

so no, he won't not when it is all said and done... patience grasshopper, patience, thigns are turning our way. By the way, do point out to the Bush Lackeys that the Republicans hate the country, actions speak louder than words

Pentagon is involved in Domestic Spying too.

So don't be shocked, be outraged and let NBC know it.

TeeVee will not lead the charge but they will be happy enough to jump into line once it gets going.

Remember "television news" is an oxymoran. :)

Let's just face it folks. We have STATE SPONSORED NEWS.

There is no other way to look at this.

The media is working WITH the government now.

they get away with everything because repugs always do, Democrats can't get away with anything. :-(