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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:55 PM
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All Bush legally needs to spy on protesters is a foreign connection?
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 11:07 PM by bigtree
from the Signals intelligence and human rights- the ECHELON report
http://cryptome.org/sigint-hr-dc.htm

Prepared by Duncan Campbell
for the Electronic Privacy Information Center
epic.org

excerpt:

"In all cases (absent a warrant or other authority to target a specific citizen), the information that NSA may process and pass on is governed by the overriding requirement that it be relevant to “foreign intelligence”. But this critical restriction, which was carefully and precisely defined in FISA, has been re-interpreted in a way that greatly weakens the protection given to U.S. citizens against unreasonable search and seizure of their personal communications and information. In restricting the use of NSA surveillance under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Congress defined “foreign intelligence” to be “information that … is necessary to the ability of the United States to protect against actual or potential attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power … or sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power” (see 50 USC § 1801). But internal NSA guidance, including USSID 18, instructs Sigint staff to use the much broader meaning of “intelligence that relates to the capabilities, intentions and activities of foreign powers, organizations, or persons” (emphasis added).

It is arguable that this definition places little effective restriction on the communications that NSA may collect, process, retain or disseminate. As has been frequently observed, the occasions on which the First Amendment most matters is when those exercising it are lawfully championing an unpopular cause. The activities of international non-government organizations, or any dissent within the U.S. which has an international component, will inevitably involve the “activities” of “foreign persons”. Thus, if a lawful U.S. organization has any foreign connection, this can under existing regulations be used to authorize dissemination of the “incidentally” intercepted communications of its U.S. members.

This is exactly what happened to the antiwar protestors of the 1960s and 70s. During the Church Committee hearings in 1975, Senator Walter Mondale observed that among the MINARET intercepts which he had inspected was one from a “leading U.S. antiwar activist – and we know him to be a moderate, peaceful person … sent a message to a popular singer in a foreign country… asking him to take part in a peace concert”. NSA Director Lt-Gen Allen testified that such messages nevertheless fell properly within the tasking given to NSA at the time. They involved a U.S. peace group, an international communication to “an overseas location where foreign support and funding was requested”. He added:

It’s certainly true that at this moment in time one would have certainly a different view of that than at the time.

Such testimony appears to confirm that NSA regulations, then as now, can make the lawful the targeting of legitimate dissent within the U.S., provided only that NSA can detect some foreign component within their activity. Very few protest groups would avoid falling under such a definition, whether concerned with the environment, privacy, international trade, racial or gender issues, or many others. Even if one administration did not wish the intelligence community to conduct such surveillances, the next could take an entirely different view.

( Senate Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities (Church), 94th Congress, First session, Volume 5, “National Security Agency and Fourth Amendment Rights”, p37.)



If this bears out, it would add weight to my suspicions that Bush's spying had an overriding political motivation and scope. He, and his surrogates, never have distinguished any resistance to their goals in defense and national security matters from the enemy they profess to be after.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:45 PM
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1. The law before and how it changed:
from Slate 2003,

"In 1978 the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act created an exception to the Fourth Amendment's "probable cause requirement" for physical searches, wiretaps, and subpoenas of business records. FISA created a secret court that granted search warrants so long as a pleading before a closed court asserted that the "primary purpose" of the search or wire tap was to gather foreign intelligence. The warrant needn't be based on a suspicion of criminal behavior. But the target had to be "linked to foreign espionage." In theory, American citizens were safe unless they were suspected "agents of a foreign power." A good indicator of the objectivity of the FISA court: It rejected only five of the 14,000 warrant applications it received before 2001, although it recently became clear that many of those warrants were based on false allegations. The FISA court is not supposed to second-guess the government. These are not adversarial proceedings. Nor does the FISA court maintain ongoing oversight over the surveillance. Patriot amends FISA to allow searches when "a significant purpose" is intelligence-gathering. Not "primary," but significant. Now you can be subject to secret searches authorized by a secret court so long as there is any foreign intelligence component (and increasingly, drug-related offenses are deemed to have a terrorist component). Moreover, the party to be searched need not be connected to foreign espionage anymore. It's enough that the government may merely learn something about a terror investigation. Section 207 of the act lengthens the durations of FISA warrants to as long as 120 days in some cases. Finally, under the pre-Patriot FISA and Title III, fruits of FISA search warrants could be used only for information-gathering, not for prosecution. But now intelligence information obtained using FISA's lower standards for probable cause can be passed along for prosecution purposes.

http://www.slate.com/id/2088106/
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:54 PM
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2. David Sirota: "that gets us right back to the most important question"
"And that gets us right back to the most important question: why would the President deliberately circumvent a court that was already wholly inclined to grant him domestic surveillance warrants? The answer is obvious, though as yet largely unstated in the mainstream media: because the President was likely ordering surveillance operations that were so outrageous, so unrelated to the War on Terror, and, to put it in Constitutional terms, so "unreasonable" that even a FISA court would not have granted them.

This is no conspiracy theory - all the signs point right to this conclusion. In fact, it would be a conspiracy theory to say otherwise, because it would be ignoring the cold, hard facts that we already know.

Two years ago, the New York Times reported that the administration is using the FBI to "collect extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators." Then, just a few months ago, the Times reported that the FBI "has collected at least 3,500 pages of internal documents in the last several years on a handful of civil rights and antiwar protest groups." And just this past week, NBC News obtained a 400-page Pentagon document outlining the Bush administration's surveillance of anti-war peace groups. The report noted that the administration had monitored 1,500 different events (aka. anti-war protests) in just a 10-month period.

These are exactly the kind of surveillance operations even a government-tilted FISA court would reject, and it raises yet more questions: Are these anti-war peace groups the targets of Bush's warrantless, illegal surveillance operations? Who else has the President been targeting? Has it been his partisan political enemies a la Richard Nixon? Or has he been invading the privacy of unsuspecting citizens in broad sweeps with no probable cause at all?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/the-most-important-questi_b_12499.html
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:12 AM
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3. I heard someone speculate today that Bush circumvented the courts
because he obtained the information on who to spy on via illegal means.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:24 AM
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4. Another note on wiretapping

"Recall that the issue in the current fuss over the NSA's wiretapping program is that the conversations being intercepted were terminated on at least one side in the US, which is why the NSA needed any kind of explicit authorization to monitor them. Outside the United States, different rules apply. Inside the security community, this has always been regarded as a bit disingenuous. As Cullen Jennings reminded me last night, the rumor was and is that the US and the UK collaborated to circumvent this rule, with the US spying on people inside the UK and the UK spying on people inside the US, but sharing intelligence so that the effect was that each country got to spy on their own citizens."

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html
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