Knowing what we know now, lets reconsider bush & the 9-11 'official story'

the other day the reporter asked the maniac president a rhetorical query regarding the many lies leading us into war in iraq. he asked him if knowing what he knows now, if he'd have still gone into war, and bush said oh yes, he'd still go to iraq, despite the fact that the official story for going in was totally bogus and totally made up bullshit.

bush has gotten away with lie after lie after lie after fucking lie, unlike the previous president, and we've let him. he lied us into a goddamned war for christ's sake, killing tens of thousands of innocents and thousands of soldiers killed and crippled, yet there he still is. now are we supposed to simply accept the fact that the war and all those lost lives were based on lies.

now about nine eleven: why o why should we blindly accept the official white house story about it and the anthrax attacks and everything regarding nine eleven? why has no one been bold enough go back and re examine the number one atrocity of all u.s. history, knowing now what we know, that bush is a goddamned maniac liar who will do ANYTHING he fucking wants to?

why to this day do millions still accept the white house official story regarding nine eleven? why isn't anyone raising holy hell and REALLY looking into it? is it because we are too chicken shit to allow ourselves to believe that any americans could sink so low as to actually make 9-11 happen on purpose?

why are those who pose these questions STILL immediately labeled crackpots and dismissed, KNOWING WHAT WE NOW KNOW?

defies several laws of thermodynamics, to boot.

because they immediately said he was the guilty party, then stopped looking for him and blamed it on saddam.

was behind 9/11.

The NeoCons keep saying that. I am willing to believe they could be right.

But I have yet to see one shred of EEVIDENCE produced by the BushCo cabal.

Am I missing something?

Show me the evidence...

osama did it from a cave with boxcutters, arab men asked to be taught to take off, but not to land jet airliners. no trial, no proof, just a trumped up investigation which was declared the last official word on the subject.

notoriously UNSKILLED at flying, made hairpin turns of jumbo jets into the towers. Planes flew off course for MORE THAN AN HOUR - and NO DEFENSE ACTION TAKEN.

Bush keeps reading to the schoolkids.

Shall we make another list?

,...four planes or the only Muslims from the Middle East. I mean, how on earth were they able to determine, so quickly, who took over those planes? :shrug: It doesn't make any sense.

and they said it was osama and that was it, no further investigation needed. bush and cheney even called daschle and leahy and told them NOT to look too closely into nine eleven, no shit. and those two senators also happen to be the ones who received anthrax letters to back up the threat so to speak.

Taliban quite rightly said the same thing when the USA demanded Osama.

Colin Powell had promised to provide a White Paper. He never did, and
the US's response to Taliban's request for particulars was to start
bombing.

Bush is a man of God.

their agenda was set for the US to attack Iraq even before the bastard stole the 2000 election.

before they could do all of the crazy shit they've done, they had to have nine eleven, had to have it so bad, they did it themselves, but then, i've gone mad

Creating the conditions for the suspension of the Constitution, perhaps?

Patriot Act (300 page bill with that cute acronym of USA PATRIOT act was oddly written and signed into law by October 01 when no one could vote against such a thing)

Step 4 was the war

Step 5 was another thing he was pushing for, after katrina, first bird flu talk and other times he said Congress had to change law regarding his authority to use military here) He really wants that. He won't get it. Fear wasn't working as well by then.

There might be other big steps not listed.

(Since my opinions are based on online synopses and not my own reading, I may be way off base.)

Clear and Present Danger -- covert war involving drug cartel
Debt of Honor -- Pilot flies 747 into Capitol building, wiping out Congress, the Supreme Court and the President
Executive Orders -- Iraqi president assassinated and Iran takes over; U.S. president controlling the country through executive orders; martial law after biological attack
Sum of All Fears -- nuclear attack at the SuperBowl

So I guess I'd predict bird flu and martial law for January, and a nuclear attack in February. How's that for a cheery winter?

Got a sick feeling in my stomach when I looked up the location of the next Super Bowl -- Detroit, Feb 06. Revenge on Conyers as a bonus?

FWIW, Clancy also coauthored a nonfiction book with Maj. Zinni, whose name I stumbled across while reading this portion of the 9/11 Commission report yesterday:



IMHO, we're just all caught in the middle of turf battles between these warring mobsters.

emptive war was always the only option the neocons considered. So it's time to have a hard look at everything this Administration did to try to thwart the attacks they had to know were coming.

accept the 9-11 story, they are strongly supporting * in everything he does, whether Constitutional or not, whether legal or not, whether moral or not because they are buying the "lurking killers" line.

It's beginning to really frighten me that he can violate the Geneva Conventions, international law, AND the United States Constitution and his Oath of Office because so many believe in the 9-11 attacks and this bullshit "war on terror."

it's the grease on the tracks of tyranny

LIHOP is being generous. Anything less is being in denial.

hence, no one thinks about it or even discusses it.

. . . . but that thinking about it shakes the foundation upon which the people in this country live. It's one of those bifurcating paths. If MIHOP is true, and it either is or isn't, then in a single instant everything changes. Most people can't handle that so they easily take the path more traveled and become simple minded sheep. I've talked to a number of intelligent people about MIHOP, citing the facts and discrepancies about the whole thing, and I've noticed that a few seconds into the conversation their eyes glaze over and they can no longer process the information and probably aren't even hearing more than blah blah blah . . .

People have to be led into it. Start with LIHOP. Until they know about
all the warnings ignored, they'll never make the leap to MIHOP.

Also it takes a lot of study to find out MIHOP doesn't take a conspiracy of
thousands.

like a Hollywood film, it was meant to be a "special effects" event and the unique thing
is the target, who really targets "bankers" Come on, if you really wanted to terrorize you
would strike at public events like the world series or the Rosebowl or at public landmarks
like the Statue of Liberty or the US Government: the White House & Congress. I have always thought the targets picked were odd.

The Tower hits were before 9 am. NOT capacity damage of say a 10 am hit. And most of the bldgs.' execs were at an "outing" in Okla. that day.

They hit hard, killed 3 thousand. But they could have killed a LOT more. Almost humane of them, no?

they live their lives on a need to know basis, they are not flocking to western movies and
are not interested in non-islamic literature, they would not try to create a Steve Spielberg
moment, this was planned by a film buff.

was done just a little over a half century ago when the bombed Japan. They did it with no compunction just to prove their point. Our understanding and or technology may have changed a lot since then but the way business is conducted has changed little. The thin veneer that is placed over it all now is tenuous. The lies must be continuously be re-written with minions of subservients to keep the upper hand on it all. We, the other side, are winning, we just have a hard time admitting it.

using the CIA, intelligence info, media, lies, and intimidation are methods that corrupt people can use, though Bush and Cheney are taking it to new heights. Whereas, recruiting middle eastern fanatics, taking over jumbo jets, and crashing them into New York and Washington is not in the same league at all. They were glad to take the opportunities that 911 provided, but creating 911 - I think is untrue.

Our human intelligence was extremely atrophied, and that is why 911 was so easy for the Islamic extremists.

as i could be right or wrong, and i try to see both sides, as i hope you do.

And then they brag about it. The have shown repeatedly that they will lie, cheat, steal, MURDER to achieve their goals. What makes 9/11 MIHOP beyond the pale for them? Especially when the "official story" is laughably riddled with bullsh*it. Especially in context of PNAC "we need a Pearl Harbor type event" to move into Iraq and emplement the global domination?

They will do anything. Anything.

it was made easy. There's a difference.

Do you blame the Evil Clinton--who made an issue of terrorism? Of course, Louis Freeh at the FBI thought investigating the President was more important.

FBI agents in the field communicated their concerns about goings-on in flight schools, etc. Especially after Bush was installed as President. John O'Neill has become a legend. But the higher-ups mostly ignored the reports.

And your statement about Bush & Cheney's use of intelligence indicate it was not "atrophied"--but misused.

how ridiculous is it to believe that an arab man would actually tell the flight instructor that he only wanted to learn how to take off in a jetliner, but didnt' want to stick around to learn how to land one? excuse me? that's the official story, all these arab men went to flight schools and made that very statement to the instructors.

something stinks

forget that magical passport floating down out of the sky. Thanks for writing this thread Mo. I wrote one yesterday about the same thing.

We could go on and on about the stupid things they expect us to believe about 9-11. In fact, the official story is a much crazier conspiracy theory than MIHOP.

why would they do that?

find the black boxes - which is disputed by people on the scene (see a post on this downthread).

And every single fighter/interceptor was called off on 9/11 so these multiple planes could fly into and through the most highly protected airspace on the planet. The man in charge of Norad on that day, Gen. Eberhard, was later promoted by the grateful Bushies to be the first head of NorthCom. One of the stated missions of NorthCom is to administer martial law in the US when it is declared.

And yet the American public sails blissfully on...I imagine much the same thing happened during Hitler's rise.

December 20, 2005

A CounterPunch Special Report

Did the Bush Administration Lie to Congress and the 9/11 Commission?

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

...But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

...A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."
http://www.counterpunch.com/

Edit: Already mentioned in post 89.

done by Frontline. The CIA had not changed with the times in terms of human intelligence, and John O'Neill was considered a black sheep who was fired because he was not playing politics. The CIA bungled the job. Anyway I am not an expert on this. I think though that people have their own agendas, and you can count on them to follow through on those agendas. Cheney wanted oil money and he found a way to get into Iraq and Bush wanted to be the dictator and he is making his own niche there. I think they are more opportunists that master-minds.

Just a coincidence, of course.

because he knew they were a target by Al Queda. He was working there in security. Also he could have gotten out. He called his mistress, and told her he was ok, but that he was going to help some people. He died trying to help others. If he ran out, he probably would have made it.

Kindly read PNAC 101 - Rise of the Neocons then come back and we'll talk....

Any hard evidence to back it up?

And what of these 20 questions:

http://www.tedmills.com/2003/09/20_unanswered_questions_on_911.html

There are no 20 questions there.

As time goes on, we find out more and more that there were warnings being shouted out by the intelligence community months before 911, but Bushco chose not to hear. He received a briefing on the matter during the first days of August, but chose to vacation.

Recruiting folks from the Middle East is no big deal, they have probably been on the payroll for years. Hell, Osama bin Laden worked for the CIA for years, and you know what they say about working for the Agency, once CIA always CIA. Hell, apparently even the CIA is the one that seriously helped stir up fundementalism in the Mid East by introducing Wahhabism to the mujahadeen in Afghanistan.

And there are quite frankly too many loose ends around 911 that make the official story to implausible to stand in the bright light of day. How did not one, not two, but three steel structures defy the laws of physics and fall virtually straight down into their own footprint? How come a pro golfer whose plane goes off course is surrounded within minutes by Northcom fighter jets, but planes known to carry hijackers are allowed forty-five minutes to circle out over Ohio, then come in and strike the WTC and the Pentagon, and no jets show up until too late? It is a standing order to have fighter jets ready to go on a seconds notice, yet they couldn't catch up to these jets? Please, somebody countermanded the standing order, and who has the power to do that? And now they try to tell us that it was fire that collapsed the WTC towers. Fire that could have only reached a maximum of 900 degrees was supposed to weaken structural steel to the point of collapse? Please, structural steel has to have a minimum of 1200 degrees to weaken just a little.

There are too many questions, too many loose ends, too many odd things going on that day in order for it all to just be coincedence, or a bunch of fanatics that rammed into the towers. The official story is full of more holes that Swiss cheese, and sad to say, we'll probably never know the truth.

are that smart to be able to plan 911 and send an order NOT to shoot down the airliners? They are good at befriending rich people in high places, and snowing a lot of "scared out of their pants" Christians, but I don't think they are so smart to plan 911.

If they were really serious about faking an attack, why didn't they use a nuclear bomb?

And people are very strict about no-fly zones now. An amateur pilot almost got shot down in Chicago recently, and Mayor Daley tore up Meig's field because it was too close to the lake.

However I will bow to your greater expertise on the details of 911, with the tower collapsing and ex-CIA islamic persons. I am only a general spectator of this whole fiasco. I don't claim any expertise.

Hell yeah. Remember, this is the same cast of characters that tap-danced around Iran Contra and many of the other shennanigans going on during the Reagan administration. They were the financial backers of the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan, the group that played Iraq off against Iran in order that all of their merchants of death friends made the big bucks. Bankrolled Noriega until he became a liability, and then stuck his ass in a hole. Yeah, these are some real serious mofos, and they know their business.

And why in the hell would they use a nuke? Geez, that would have rendered the financial capital of the Western Hemisphere, if not the world, unihabitable for centuries, and brought down the already shaky American economy. No, PNAC needed a New Pearl Harbor, but the damage had to be limited, no devestating. Speaking of which, how do you explain the put options that were taken out on United Airlines, Morgan Stanley, and other corporations adversely affected by 911? How did those mysterious folks know when these business were going to be taking an inadvertant nosedive? And why did the FBI break off their investigation into this little mystery? Oh, yeah, that's right, they ran into a former CIA agent, and dropped the investigation cold. Hmmm.

There is lots out there that just doesn't add up, and I would suggest that you stop being a spectator and get in the game instead. 911 lies at the nexus of what is happening to our country now and in the future. If you want to stop this country's descent in fascism, I suggest that you start finding out all you can. I good place to begin is in the 911 forum here on DU, lots of good information, lots of good sources.

Not everyone can be an government expert. And I have paid a few dues in terms of public service. If I devote my time to an issue, it will be trying to end sports hunting.

there are so many issues these days, but really, for the sake of the WORLD I think we need to educate ourselves on things like this. I'm not a government expert at all, but I've familiarized myself enough with this particular administration to know that with them, anything is possible.

Hard as it was for me to believe that our leaders could have actually ALLOWED 9/11 to happen on purpose, or worse MADE it happen, after reading a few books, reading the official explanations (that really make no sense whatsoever), and most of all, knowing that the administration did everything in its power to stop ANY investigation of what happened that day, one has to wonder. A couple of books "The New Pearl Harbor" - "The Terror Timeline" and one about the omissions and distortions of the 911 report are eye-opening.

If you stop to think about it - the President of the United States is in a known location, the country is under attack, and he STAYS in that known location - not worried at all about his own safety, or the safety of the "children he didn't want to alarm". That just doesn't make sense to me. Then there's the little quashing of any investigation, and then, when one finally had to be done to save face, it was staffed by people very sympathetic to the administration. They couldn't get information they needed from the agencies involved, and couldn't ask the questions that they needed to ask.

If you were President, wouldn't you encourage, in fact INSIST on an investigation, rather than going to great lengths not to have one?

Just some food for thought. It's not really a question of Bush and Cheney being smart - there's the whole PNAC, and unfortunately, there are some great, albeit deranged, minds involved.

oh to return to those happy days.....

every goddamned republican ever born would be screaming for his impeachment and execution if it was even suspected that he wasn't being exactly truthful about the facts leading up to and following nine eleven.

Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil (Paperback)
by Michael C. Ruppert, Catherine Austin Fitts (Foreword)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0865715408/qid=1135083726/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7255189-9643841?n=507846&s=books&v=glance
Book Description

The attacks of September 11, 2001, were accomplished through an amazing orchestration of logistics and personnel. Crossing the Rubicon discovers and identifies key suspects-finding some of them in the highest echelons of American government-by showing how they acted in concert to guarantee that the attacks produced the desired result. . .

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566565847/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-7255189-9643841?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin

Book Description
With US political leaders Democrat and Republican alike rushing to embrace the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, and an eager media receiving the Commission's 567-page report as the whole story, the history we can stand upon forevermore, everyone who cares about the fate of American democracy will want to know something about what those pages actually say.

The Commission's account, by popular reckoning, has made an impression with its heft, its footnotes, its portrayal of the confusion of that sobering day, its detail, its narrative finesse. Yet under the magnifying glass of David Ray Griffin, eminent theologian and author of The New Pearl Harbor (a book that explores questions that reporters, eyewitnesses, and political observers have raised about the 9/11 attacks), the report appears much shabbier. In fact, there are holes in the places where detail ought to be thickest: Is it possible that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld has given three different stories of what he was doing the morning of September 11, and that the Commission combines two of them and ignores eyewitness reports to the contrary? Is it possible that the man in charge of the military that day, Acting Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Myers, saw the first tower hit on TV, and then went into a meeting, where he remained unaware of what was happening for the next 40 minutes? Is it possible, as the Commission reports, that the FAA did not inform military that the fourth airplane appeared to have been hijacked-contrary to both common sense and the word of FAA employees? Is it possible that the Report, upon which are based recommendations for overhauling the nation's intelligence, fails to mention even in a footnote the most serious allegations made public by Coleen Rowley, FBI whistleblower and Time person of the year?

David Ray Griffin's critique of the Kean-Zelikow report makes clear that our nation's highest leaders have told tales that wear extremely thin when held up to the light of other eyewitness reports, research, and the dictates of common sense-and that the Commission charged with the task of investigating all of the facts surrounding 9/11 has succeeded in obscuring, rather than unearthing, the truth.

"It is rather obvious that the 9/11 commission aimed more to bring closure than to investigate the anomalies surrounding the event. For the dominant media in the US they have largely succeeded. All the more reason why it is important that its failure even to mention these anomalies not go unnoticed. For those who still seek the truth and hope for a serious investigation of the facts, Griffin's careful analysis of the report is essential reading." -- John B. Cobb, Jr., Professor of Theology, Emeritus, Claremont School of Theology

"Through an incisive and carefully documented review, David Ray Griffin skillfully refutes the findings of the 9/11 Commission and questions the official 'bipartisan' account of what happened. He shows how the dramatic events of September 11 were used by the Bush Administration, through media disinformation, to mislead public opinion, with a view to justifying the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq under the banner of the global 'war on terrorism.'" -- Michel Chossudovsky, Centre for Research on Globalization/University of Ottawa

Even if we restrict the 9/11-related charges to what can be proven on the basis of the existing record, ranking Bush Administration officials would still be convicted of 3,000 counts of negligent homicide, reckless endangerment, perjury, and obstruction of justice. Add unwarranted wiretapping to the mix. That's a lot of hard time. All it will take is a federal or state prosecutor to actually bring the evidence before a Grand Jury.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm

When John Kerry proposed that "terrorism" was really more of a crime problem than a military problem, he was ridiculed.

But he was right.

"'Buzzy' is also the end of the trail of the 9/11 put options"

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a09...

"Suspicious trading occurs on American and United, the two airlines used in the 9/11 attacks. “Between 6 and 7 September, The Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put option contracts (a speculation that the stock will go down) in UAL versus 396 call options—where a speculator bets on a price rising. Holders of the put options would have netted a profit of $5 million once the carrier's share price dived after September 11. On 10 September, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings. This compares with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. Investigators cannot help but notice that no other airlines saw such trading in their put options.” One analyst says: “I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options markets.” (Associated Press, 9/18/01, San Francisco Chronicle, 9/19/01) “To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the ‘put’ options … on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by ‘Buzzy’ Krongard, now executive director of the CIA.” Krongard was chairman of Alex Brown Inc., which was bought by Deutsche Bank. “His last post before resigning to take his senior role in the CIA was to head Bankers Trust—Alex Brown's private client business, dealing with the accounts and investments of wealthy customers around the world.” (Independent, 10/14/01)"

The stock market spike is a BIG PART of the story behind 9/11, in my opinion.

So why did the 9/11 Commission ignore this, other than to cover up?

What does the stock market have to do with people being killed? Planes crashing into buildings caused those people to be killed! The terrorists did it because they hate America! People NEVER manipulate the stock market! All those games in those casinos are legit! Hey, I actually know someone who won once! See??

Pay no attention to the huge profits from the put options! Pay no attention to the unnatural surge in put options right before 9/11! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

Thomas Kean is the business partner of Khalid Bin Mafouz, a brother in law of Osama Bin Laden.

Now how the hell can a guy with two degrees of seperation from Osama be expected to lead a proper investigation?

The only question more obvious than that (but completely ignored by the media) is how the Hell a pResident whose family are Bin Laden business partners can be expected to capture and kill the alleged terrorist mastermind.

And over 4 years later, he hasn't.

George "Poppy" Bush Sr. watched the Pentagon burn from a Washington DC hotel balcony with Osama's fucking brother, for Allah's sake!! No doubt they had a bottle of vintage bubbly chilled for the occasion.

Fucking bastards :grr:

It was a Carlyle Group meeting for shit sake. Poppy didn't seem surprised in the least at the disastrous events. The flight back to Dubai was quite the party I was told. PM me if you want some more personal information.

Fucking Bastards Indeed!

Poppy, Carlyle Group - please tell us what you can.

My partner was working for the government of one of the richest but lesser known ME countries. He worked at SGRF the State General Reserve Fund, this is where all the oil profit ends up and SGRF figures out how to invest the profits. This country which is very US friendly invests a fuck load of money in Carlyle which is why Deputy General ******* ( I will protect his privacy and not name names) was at this meeting. So were the Bin Ladens, Pervez Musharaff's son, several Makhtums from the UAE...it was a meeting of BIG BIG BIG fucking power and money. Then the show began at the Pentagon and according to DG Poppy seemed to be enjoying himself.

The meeting was held as usual. The Bin Laden relatives were flown into Dulles. The packed plane flew that evening to Dubai. Full of influential and very suspicious Arab agents and any relative of Bin Laden who wanted a get out of jail free card.

Was this a coincidence? Nah...BFEE at work!

edit for a sloppy typo! Oopsy Do!

This is so depressing and frightening.

there was something wrong, something hidden.

When I first heard about the financial irregularities I was relieved. All of MSM talked about them. It was more then just the airlines, it was the companies in the buildings. It was more then just stocks, there was some 5 year bond I don't recall details on. They had the records of them. It was being investigated.

It was sudden huge credit card transaction from the company in the buildings just in the hours before the planes struck. At first they thought it couldn't be investigated because the computers hard drives were surely destroyed. But 40 were recovered and a German company found a way to extract the data.

I couldn't wait and was glad bush would have proof to show other countries and we'd learn who'd had prior knowledge. We just had to wait a little while.

I really assumed that. It didn't go that way. MSM quit talking about it. Eventually I heard the tradings investigation ended, a vague "normal fluctuation" which is completely impossible. The German company was bought out.

And I knew something was wrong. We have a right to that information, what could have mattered more in the investigation? I never understood MSM not following up.

What about the passengers on the hijacked planes that hit the trade centers? Have any of them been accounted for? Have any of their relatives talked about they're being missing?

i know that doesn't answer your question, but it's related. the official story is that his wallet was found right there on the sidewalk in the rubble, unburned, unharmed, like the magic bullet found by Kennedy's corpse on the stretcher, unbent, unshot, pristine.

makes you think.

The wallet they found in the street after the plane crashed into the tower did not belong to Mohamed Atta but to another hijacker, Satam al-Sugami



Somehow it was put out that it was Atta's wallet they found and now everyone refers to the wallet as being Atta's wallet, but that wasn't the case. I first found out about this from 911 researcher and DU poster Paul Thompson's web site www.cooperativeresearch.org where I recollect he mentions the confusion over the real owner of the found wallet. However cooperativeresearch appears to be down right now, but I was able to find the link above from Google.

Since the supporters of the officially sanctioned government 911 conspiracy theory will try to discredit anyone who raises any questions about it, it's advisable for those of us who suspect the US government theory is comprised of a good portion of horse shit to keep our talking points as factual and accurate as possible.

Has anyone come forward and said that their relative was a passenger on one of those planes that hit the towers? Not just the hijackers family, but any passengers family? I haven't heard of any. I have from the one that crashed in PA and of Ted Olson's wife that was in the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon. But I haven't heard of any from the planes that hit the towers.

"Berry Berenson, aged 53, who was a passenger on the hijacked American Airlines flight 11 which crashed into the World Trade Centre, was a fashion photographer and accomplished Hollywood film actor. She was, however, known as much for her personal profile, having been married to Anthony Perkins for nearly 20 years until his death from Aids in 1992. In the wake of the horror of her death, her spokeswoman Susan Patricola commented: "She was one of the loveliest, greatest people on the earth, full of life." At the time of her death, Berenson was returning home to Los Angeles after holidaying on Cape Cod. She is survived by her two sons by Anthony Perkins: Osgood, aged 27, and Elvis Perkins, aged 25."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551683,00.html


Another article:

"Her name was Berenthia (Berry) Berenson Perkins, a.k.a. Mrs. Anthony Perkins, and she, along with 91 other persons — five of them mass murderers — was aboard American Airlines Flight 11, Logan Airport, Boston, to LAX, California, when it crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center, New York City, at 8:46:40 a.m., on the beautiful balmy blue-sky Tuesday of September 11, 2001."

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_123/thinkingaboutberry.html

I lean towards LIHOP. Bush & Co lied about receiving warnings and then stalled and tried to prevent investigations and then only revealed the August 2001 memo when forced to by the 9/11 commission. Had this been Clinton or Gore, the outrage and demands for impeachment would have been overwhelming.

They really died. A small price to pay for unlimited power, wouldn't you say?

As for any of them being accounted for, I haven't heard that any of the passengers have turned out to be alive, BUT I recently read an article which stated that TO THIS DAY the passenger list of Flight 175 has still not been completely finalized. The article delved, in excruciating detail, into the published lists of passengers. No two lists were alike. The article looked at media reports of who was on the plane. It also looked at what is known of official reports of who was on the plane. There were and STILL ARE discrepancies.

And the hijackers--in fact, at least 3 of the people said to be the hijackers have turned up alive in the middle east.

I can't remember the names of the articles, but if you go to www.whatreallyhappened.com or www.onlinejournal.com, and read the in-house articles at either or both sites, you'll find a lot on this.

Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

then there were no passengers on the planes.

If you're going to do a false-flag operation (=MIHOP) of this kind, it's much simpler to use remote control replacements. It might be that there originally were planes with passengers, that got replaced by remote controlled planes. Presumably those passengers have been killed.

A scenario like this has previously been planned and proposed at the highest levels in US government: Operation Northwoods.

Operation Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood

Operation Northwoods or Northwood was the code name for various false flag actions, including domestic terror attacks (such as involving the use of "hijacked" planes) on U.S. soil, proposed in 1962 by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders to generate U.S. public support for military action against Cuba.

<snip>

In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project (Col. Edward Lansdale), the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outline plans) the author believed would garner public and international support for US military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin, with a number of them having real casualties. Central to the plan was the use of "friendly Cubans" —right-wing Cuban exiles seeking to oust Fidel Castro and establish an anti-communist state —perhaps similar to the earlier Batista regime.

The suggestions included:
<snip>
- Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

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To see that the government does not only plan false-flag ops but also puts it to practice, one need to look no further then the Bay of Pigs invasion/fiasco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion.
After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, JFK reportedly cursed himself for listing to his advisers who had come up with the plan.

Some people would have it that the radical RW elements in the government and govt related agencies who came up with these kinds of plans back then, had more influence on policy making then, then they do now that they occupy the very highest ranks in the US government... oh well.

he and cheney are daring us to do something about it, assuming we won't.

i don't claim to know the real truth, but i swear we haven't been told the real truth. why should i believe an admitted liar?

none of it. if bush said it, it's an automatic lie, that's the standard set by the rupublicans, if a president tells one lie, impeach him and disregard his every word as a lie

country.

LIHOP? MIHOP? Damned plausible after the revelations of domestic spying.

Stolen election in 2004? Absolutely possible after seeing the level of the lying from these despotic dictatorial bastards!

about ANYTHING? start with the stolen election, then nine eleven, then it's alice in wonderland time. i could overlook certain lies, if it weren't for the 20,000 crippled soldiers, 2,200 dead ones, and at least 50,000 dead innocent iraqis, not to mention the 3000 dead on nine eleven

mostly through the work of Ruppert and others. It is good to see people finally waking up. I think it will be a REAL breakthrough for DU though, when threads like this one aren't automatically shunted away to the back room hinterlands of DU. Leave this thread out in the open where people can see it!!! GD seems to have the most eyeballs and there is NO more important story than 9-11......

They create their own reality. I will never forget those words.

The day I read PNAC, I knew this country was effed, big time. And I became LIHOP in an instant.

And I'll tell ya' -- if I hear one more person saying, "Well, Bush was only in office a few months when 9/11 happened, so he can't be held responsible," I'm gonna go postal!

This will tell you all you need to know to join the MIHOP camp.......

PNAC 101 - Rise of the Neocons

The 'Patriot Act' themselves?

Hitler set - and used - the Reigstag Fire to gain control of Germany. He then passed the Enabling Act, which served to limit personal freedoms in support of fighting Communism. Does this sound at all like 9/11--->Patriot Act?! From my perspective, LIHOP is fanstasy. MIHOP is reality. These guys are PANICKED over reality that oil is running out. From there perspective, drastic measure are neccessary to secure (steal) the rest of the remaining oil China and India are now competing for the same dwindling supply. Cheney et al truly view this as a matter of national security - and the end justifies whatever means are neccessary. Hence, 9/11. I say - if they had chosen to invest the same $500 in developing new energy sources, we'd be more secure in the ling run - and without a needless and illegal war. IMPEACH NOW!!!

Here are some others:

http://www.tedmills.com/2003/09/20_unanswered_questions_on_911.html

...anyone can discern my skepticism about the official story by looking at my DU handle, especially when one considers the PNAC's explicit longing, pre-9/11, for a "new Pearl Harbor." Those interested in reading a couple books on the subject should check out David Ray Griffin's books on the subject.

The link in my sig line will tell you all you need to know. (For those who aren't already familiar with it.)

This is going to come out eventually....

It is only by disbelieving our government's story that everything else becomes understandable. Mr.Tush is NOT lieing when he consistently declares victory. For them it IS! Their agenda isn't even hidden UNLESS you believe their bogus version of events.
IMPEACH THIS WHOLE CABAL.....GRRRRRR

http://NoBullshiRt.com

.. in 3.. 2.. 1..

peace

not being in the dungeon yet...

enough to keep up. there is not enough cynicism on the planet to keep up with these maniacs. it took me a while to figure it out, but i am there. there is no way those 2, repeat 2, repeat 2, repeat 2, repeat 2 buildings fell stragiht down into their footprints like that without help. the odds must be a few trillion to 1.

Remember that?
Anthrax - 9 people dead!
Trail leads back to a us military lab!
No one ever charged!
No one ever held responsible!
Initial finger of blame pointed at Saddam!
False accusations by the Attorney General!

The killer's still at large and lurking about.

The name of Dr. Philip Zack has been mentioned. He had clearance to enter the lab, and he had a grudge, too.

That's what I would think.

Or... don't forget the rush to get the vaccine. Remember how much Cipro they sold around the time of the anthrax attacks?

Would it be so hard to use things like the anthrax attacks to play with the market? Unconscionable, yes, but would it really be so hard, in the post-9/11 climate of fear?

fever. After all it happened at the same time as 9/11 and had 9/11 not happened it would have been used as the primary reason to attack Iraq.

trying to make it look like the Anthrax letters came from Arab terrorists.

OBL and why they diverted massive military resources from Afghanistan to Iraq. There's a real disconnect in that. We were told OBL was public enemy number one and yet they just called off the dogs on him and invaded Iraq. Its stuff like this that makes me wonder.

a stepping-stone to Iraq.

The neocons would've gone straight for Iraq if they could've gotten away with it politically but it seems (from I've read) that Powell, Clarke and Blair were voices of moderation who steered them to dealing with al-Qaeda first.

See the link in my sig line for details.

that it was MIHOP they would still lie to us. They wouldn't tell us "for our own good." Makes me ill to think about it.

MIHOP is more of a possibility than I had previously considered. The maladministration always seemed so bloody incompetent that I couldn't imagine they were capable of MIHOP.

Great post Mopaul! You always keep me thinking.

The link in my sig line just might nudge you squarely into the MIHOP camp.

But when one does this, one is met with: "Oh, okay, why don't YOU tell us what really happened", or "If you'd been in NYC, you'd know it was REAL".

Of course it was f**kin' REAL! And it's possible it happened exactly as "they" said it happened: 19 crazy Arabs hijacked those planes, etc., etc. But the part that should be questioned is: WHO really set the Arabs' plan in motion... WHO really helped them get it off the ground? Who kept our supposedly state-of-the-art military defenses from responding?

If you read paleo-con sites, they question 9/11 all the time. I believe this is because among such types, there is a lot of military knowledge. A lot of people of that political leaning make it a hobby to keep up with military history and military culture. So they've "seen" (through study or through playing war games or through discussion) things like 9/11 before.

These people--right-wing, true, but worthy of a glance--say that a lot of "disinformation" has been deliberately put out there abour 9/11. This disinformation is transparently false, and it serves the purpose of making ALL questioners of the 9/11 Official Story look like crackpots and nuts.

I think the safest and most rational way to question the 9/11 Official Story--and it MUST be questioned--is to go ahead and accept the premise that these 19 Arabs carried through this plot... then to question WHO really benefitted from 9/11 in the end, thus reaching the question of WHO had the motive to use agents provocateur to urge on the crazy Arabs' plan, and WHO aided and abetted that plan. And WHO stood down our military defenses on that day.

That is the thing that I've always questioned. Let's assume for a moment an inadvertent LIHOP. Through complacency, stupidity, arrogance, whatever those in power failed in their mission to defend the country and 9/11 happened the way they say it did; hijackers took over airliners and drove them into the buildings. (That's about the only part of the official story I buy.)

Nothing was done to slow or stop the attacks. the CIC sat and literally did nothing. Our multi-trillion dollar defense system appeared to sit idle.

I want to know what went on in the air that morning. Have we heard any testimony from ATC people, pilots, airlines op center staff or military? There would have been an enormous number of everyday joes who would've been privy to radio communications and phone conversions. These would be people who simply reacted to aircraft in distress doing what they were trained to do. Seems like they would be the ones with a whole lot of information.

http://standdown.net/

Also see:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/usaf_911.html

You've made me very curious to check out these message boards.

Bill Cooper also pegged them...



Of course, pegging "Them" got him dead, a case of "suicide."

I'm COINOP - Collectively Orchestrated It Nefariously On Purpose.

Paul Thompson's Terror Timeline is one of the best books I ever read. Anyone still not believing or even suspecting * Junta involvement of any kind after reading that is simply fooling themselves. Like it's SO impossible for them to cross the line into pure evil. PLEASE. I've said it before and I'll say it again: These people wipe their ASSES with what you need or think. They have all the money, all the power, all the media, all the corporations. 3,000 corporate serfs . . . 3,000 plastic army men . . . 30-100 thousand meaningless brown people . . . what does it MATTER to them? There's CASH to be made and by Bewsh Almighty, no collective bunch of fucking poor middle class punks are going to stop that gravy train NO how.

get successfully attacked when the military had more than an hour's advance notice (at minimum)?

As the sole superpower since the breakup of the Soviet Union, taxpayers had spent more than four trillion dollars on the military. And yet on 9/11 they not only could not defend the country, but they couldn't even defend their own fucking headquarters?! When they knew they might be a target? From a bunch of horizontal-flying nitwits armed with boxcutters and commercial jets? How the fuck does that happen?

Oh yeah, I remember. The evil-doers found the magic off button that renders a jet invisible to all! They turned off the transponder! Damn you, terrorists! Our four trillion dollar defense system has been thwarted!

The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11 - By Paul Thompson
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense

From about a year ago, I found this very interesting article and it makes perfect sense... Like many of you already know, psychological war was declared on us. All for a New Pearl Harbor and PNAC. With time I have realized that those towers, plus WTC 7, were imploded. Looking at video of that day now, it is easy to see. Plus, why were videos of the Pentagon strike never shown? Why were cockpit voice recorders never shown? Why were key witnesses to WTC basement bombing never given a voice? Why? Why? Why? The list keeps getting longer, the official history is pure fiction.

Inside the Clouds of 9/11:


Inside the clouds of 9/11 lay hidden sinister plans and malevolent intentions, indoctrinated minds and their brainwashed existence. Inside this tempestuous cloud of debris, dust, smoke, asbestos, chemicals, particulates and human flesh lie hidden war criminals and crimes against humanity that continue to run unobstructed, free to continue their reign of terror, sending the world into the abyss of perpetual war and suffering, immune from the conformist and placid sheep living in their realm whose existence continues to be lived in extravagant ignorance fed by bread and circus, tele-trash conditioning and dumbed-down education.It is inside the clouds of 9/11 that the most successful psychological warfare technique ever devised by man can be seen for what it is, namely, the devastatingly successful mechanism by which an entire nation was transformed from placid isolationists going about their daily god-fearing lives into blood-thirsty seekers of vengeance and gluttonous purveyors of human malice. The genius of those exploiters of 9/11, with its horrific mass death and carnage, its violent destruction of buildings and human life, was in bombarding American citizens, through the television and using the mouths of media lackeys, with ceaseless images of what transpired that day along with voices of vengeance, hatred and war, thereby shaking the foundations of reality and the constructs of security hundreds of millions believed themselves to live under.

Suddenly a new reality emerged and fear, that most controlling emotion in the human animal, that passion clouding the mind and our logical, analytical thinking, was unleashed throughout the nation. Insecurity blanketed the country as images of falling buildings and crashing airlines paralyzed an entire populace. Our world came crashing down along with the World Trade Center, and in its debris-filled clouds did we find ourselves in, not knowing what to make of what had without notice transpired, not understanding the violence we had just witnessed, not comprehending a world gone mad. Our fear blinded us, and immediately rage and hatred permeated from our pores. We are but animal primates, after all, and our emotions began to control our thinking human brain.

-- snip --

Almost immediately, the seeds of blame were sowed onto a population needing an enemy and scapegoat from which to focus its collective wrath. Rather quickly and conveniently Muslims were blamed without a single investigation or an act of prudence. Arab names immediately appeared on passenger manifests, impossible to find passports were suddenly said found in the remains of the World Trade Center, parked cars containing copies of the Koran along with flying instructions in Arabic were quickly discovered, images of dancing Palestinians made the airwaves, even though the images were of children recorded months before, ambiguous video of hijackers at so-called airports circulated, and all around, the corporate media, with its many Zionist interests lurking freely, besieged our conscious with Arab bogeymen and Muslim motives, immediately finding itself an enemy to castigate and blame.

It all fell into place like a jigsaw puzzle, all too soon, all too convenient, all too surreal and all seemingly pre-arranged, as if scapegoats had already been decided upon to validate already predetermined wars in the Middle East. Yet we never wondered, we never questioned how everything had come to be so expeditiously. Hypnotized to the images of that malicious day we remained, immersed by fear and hatred and rage and calls for vengeance. We fell into the trap of a new Pearl Harbor, the interests that be had what they wanted, a militarized, paralyzed and vengeance mobilized citizenry, ready to believe anything, ready to unleash war on America’s new enemy. The barrage was ceaseless, the drums of war now beat strongly, before the American people knew it, those responsible for 9/11 had been chosen. The wheels had been set in motion.


Read the rest: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7398.htm

For those of you interested in further reading, yesterday the author published "The Making of the Enemy" (Part 1), a very interesting take on the marketing of Middle Eastern people as America's new enemy. The article is at www.valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com

MIHOP just did so damn much for them.

Good post - and glad you're here. :hi:

The Rise of the Amerikan Nazis

Into the Vortex of Incalculable Consequences

Part I of III: Birth of Despotism - Part II Here

Manuel Valenzuela 

12/14/04 "ICH" -- The rise to power of the Amerikan Nazis, and the subsequent dive into the cesspool of fascism the nation is now experiencing, was assured with the ascension to the White House of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in November 2000. Through the well-conceived, methodical fraud committed against the American people, the Amerikan Nazis were now free to unleash their devastation upon the world. They were now free to release the demons of war on humanity, destroying innocent human life, tearing flesh apart, devastating environments, endangering freedoms and rights, eviscerating democracy and decimating entire peoples and nations. 

Stealing the election through the disenfranchisement, intimidation, manipulation and blatant racism against tens of thousands of Florida blacks, the Amerikan Nazis regained the seat of power and immediately began preparations for their ideologically inspired, pre-ordained world agenda of imperial hegemony, pre-emptive offensive wars, natural resource control, geopolitical military allocation, proxy wars in defense of foreign nations, corporate profit and pillage, American treasure plunder and grip on absolute power. 

With the inauguration of George W. Bush in January 2001 an amalgam of corrupt, warmongering, greed-addicted, delusional, unscrupulous and ideological criminals, fascists, religious fundamentalists, profit over people capitalists and Zionist neocons fused to create the most damaging cocktail of immoral human malfeasance since similar vermin rose to power in 1930’s Europe. Thus began the reign of the Amerikan Nazis, indiscriminately escalating the momentum of Earth’s descent into the dark abyss of self-annihilation and helping steer civilization closer towards nuclear midnight.

Conceived through fraud and deceit, developed through secrecy and intimidation, secured in lies and delusions, and birthed by the horrors of 9/11, thereafter cementing a national psychosis in the American mind that has yet to dissipate, the Amerikan Nazis have thrust upon the entirety of the planet a parallel universe not seen in 70 years. Since usurping power, the Amerikan Nazis have created nothing but negative energy, retarding the existing goodness in humankind and exposing the worst in the human condition. 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7481.htm

Ask me why I'm probably being spied on now...

These are the black boxes from the two planes that hit the WTC towers and that the FBI claims were never found.

hijackers!!!

I just learned that in the 911 forum today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x60970

Virtually nothing survived the crash of UA93 in PA, but parts of the alleged hijacker-pilot's passport survived

...Jarrah was questioned after he had already spent six months in the United States learning to fly. He had a valid U.S. multiple-entry visa in his passport, a fragment of which was found at the Flight 93 crash site...
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/01/cia.hijacker/

along with a hijacking letter:
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/letter.htm

Quite amazing considering the plane virtually disintegrated:

“There was no way anything was left,” Pluta added. “There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn’t slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down.”

Bits of metal were thrown against a tree line like shrapnel, said state police spokesman Trooper Thomas Spallone of Troop A in Greensburg.

“Once it hit, everything just disintegrated,” he said.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_12940.html

showed just how gullible the US public really is when lied to by everyone they trust.

From cooperativceresearch.org

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=jarra&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=+Go+



Do they look like the same person to you?

Dan Rather called it the fear of being 'necklaced' with a lack of patriotism.

"The fear is that you will be neck-laced here, you will have a flaming tyre of
lack of patriotism put around your neck. It's that fear that keeps journalists
from asking the toughest of the tough questions.... And one finds one's self
saying, 'I know the right question but you know what, this is not exactly the
right time to ask it?'"

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=316&row=1

Of course the fear of an anthrax attack can make people careful too.
As far as I know that newspaper office in Florida is still closed up tight,
with anthrax tracked into every room. Nobody can go in there.

What if that happened to NBC?

Chertoff? Doesn't that surname ring a bell?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=HPIC,HPIC:2005-21,HPIC:en&q=Benjamin+Chertoff

May be just a coincidence. :sarcasm:

says Christopher Bollyn http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=13243

But then, that just means he has access to all the real skinny that he can't tell
us about, right? :sarcasm:

Apparently PM went through a major editorial purge before that 9/11 article was
published. (Again it's Christopher Bollyn's say-so, but 911truth published his
piece.)

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050321052700567

recovery of a frigging PASSPORT of one of the hijackers and the fact that ALL of the interceptor/fighters were called off during the long flighrs into and through the most highly protected airspace on earth. By the way, the head of Norad on that day was promoted by the grateful Bushies to be head of NorthCom when it was formed in 2002. (He's moved on since then.) One of NorthCom's stated missions is to administer martial law in the US when it is declared.

No, I am not making this up.

There are many more impossible things and blatant things that were ignored about 9/11 - but those two are my personal favorites.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5650619
thread title (12/20 GD): CounterPunch: FBI has 9/11 black boxes!

Everyone needs to watch and then share this DVD with a friend:

https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

Keep spreading the word. someday the real story will come out.

creepy enough for you?

And now, I bet a lot more people have stopped believing them.

The White House and most of the media are a bunch of liars.

But the truth for us and the 3000 who neverr got justice on 9/11 won't happen until we vote the Republican Syndicate out of office...in overwhelming and indisputable numbers.

I would also suggest a national action to assure that every person vting in November of 2006 signs an independent affidavit attesting to his vote. That should be collected and counted by the state Democratic parties....we need to prove to ourselves that we are united against these criminals.

later down the road as more and more treachery gets exposed..it will be riveting to go back and read what we thought on December 20, 2005. Look how far we've come since 9/11/2001.

hitler had nothing on these guys..would hitler stage a 9/11 in old Germany to bend his people to his will?

I had a friend come in the co-op today and say out loud that she was beginning to understand what the people felt like in Germany in the 1930's.

I thought for sure this thread would've been long gone by now. Glad to see it still here in the GD area.

When you consider the reaction of *'s secret service guards during the attack.

He's in a highly insecure area participating in a well publicized event whilst people know that the country is under attack.

What does the secret service do? (Multiple choice to make it easier)
a) Rush * to a secure army/air force base locally
b) Rush * to Air Force One and immediately take off to ensure the security of the commander in chimpchief
c) Secure the location, bring in the army and air force to patrol the skies and ground around *
d) Absolutely nothing at all, he's reading a book after all

We know that the secret service agents will throw themselves in the way of a bullet from the actions during the Reagan assassination attempt - a policeman and a secret service agent were also shot by John Hinckley during the melee. Yet on 9/11 the secret service just sat there? No attempts to secure the location, no moves to get * to safety, nothing. You must either consider this to be one of the biggest lapses of concentration in the secret service's history or you're forced to consider that there was no need to secure the location as they already knew that it wasn't a target.

9/11 Special - Dutch Television Documentary

“Was 9/11 more than just an attack? Could the Bush administration have had anything to gain from the attack? Two prominent European politicians, Michael Meacher and Andreas von Bülow, express their serious doubts about the official version of the 9/11 story.”
Two former Government Ministers have grave doubts about what Americans call "the war on terrorism"

Michael Meacher - MP - Former UK Government Minister. "The war on terror is bogus"

Andreas Von Bulow, Former German Secretary Of Defense "The official story is so inadequate and far fetched that there must be a different one"
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Click Play To View
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm

Here's a snip from Michael Meacher's article in the Guardian "This war on terrorism is bogus."

We live in an era of the endless representation, the mediated existence. Where nothing is real and we can be largely unaware of our own circumstances. Life as seen through the camera lens. We prefer it this way now- The sign is more important than the thing, the image more real and enduring than the fact. A cult-ure that exists with a manufactured and false consciousness. We are thoroughly corporatized and the first set of peoples living a branded (un)reality.

http://www.militaryproject.org/

http://www.brusselstribunal.org/index.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm



"Our 'neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell." – Edward Abbey