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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:21 AM
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FBI watched array of environmental, animal, and poverty groups
FBI watched array of environmental, animal, and poverty groups

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Counterterrorism agents at the FBI have conducted numerous surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations that involved, at least indirectly, groups active in causes as diverse as the environment, animal cruelty and poverty relief, newly disclosed agency records show, the NEW YORK TIMES is set to splash in Tuesday's papers...

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FBI officials said Monday that their investigators had no interest in monitoring political or social activities and that any investigations that touched on advocacy groups were driven by evidence of criminal or violent activity at public protests and in other settings.

After the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, John Ashcroft, who was then attorney general, loosened restrictions on the FBI's investigative powers. The bureau has used that authority to investigate not only groups with suspected ties to foreign terrorists, but also protest groups suspected of having links to violent or disruptive activities.


But the documents, coming after the Bush administration's confirmation that President Bush had authorized domestic anti-terrorism spying without warrants, prompted charges from civil rights advocates that the government had improperly blurred the line between terrorism and acts of civil disobedience and lawful protest.

One FBI document indicates that agents in Indianapolis planned to conduct surveillance as part of a "Vegan Community Project." Another document talks of the Catholic Workers group's "semi-communistic ideology." A third document indicates the bureau's interest in determining the location of a protest over llama fur planned by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

The documents, provided to The New York Times over the past week, came as part of a series of Freedom of Information Act lawsuits brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, which has sought access to FBI files on about 150 protest and social groups that it says may have been improperly monitored.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/FBI_watched_array_of_environmental_animal_1220.html
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:24 AM
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1. Anyone know
Where a list of the 150 improperly monitored groups may be?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:25 AM
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2. My, my, my. What a bunch of thugs we have working for the FBI again.
Not an organization with the best interests of this country at heart, in my opinion.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:28 AM
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5. waste of time and energy and $$--better used for real threats!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:26 AM
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3. i have no trust --they do what they want when they want.




....But the documents, coming after the Bush administration's confirmation that President Bush had authorized domestic anti-terrorism spying without warrants, prompted charges from civil rights advocates that the government had improperly blurred the line between terrorism and acts of civil disobedience and lawful protest.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:30 AM
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7. Most specifically lawful protest....
That's the real kicker. Civil disobediance is illegal, people forget that....That's the point, the direct violation of unjust law. But these people aren't even doing that.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:27 AM
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4. If they really want to monitor terrorism in the United States...
...there are dozens of right wing militia-type groups that would be of interest--unless, of course, terrorists are really not the targets. :nuke:
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:28 AM
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6. Well then I am sure I am on someones list as
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 07:29 AM by Jeanette in FL
"A person of Interest" since I support all three of those causes. My goodness, where will it end.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:33 AM
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9. One day all of us people of interest will find each other
and form a new group, and then rally against being oppressed. I think I am going to at that as my minority status from now on. "Are you a person of color?" "Ah no, but I am a person of interest!" ;)
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:30 AM
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8. So what ELSE does the New York Times know?
...and for how long have they known it?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:45 AM
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10. So we're paying for this crap as well as throwing out
our constitutional liberties? (or borrowing as the case may be) Maybe a tax rebellion is in order.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:08 AM
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11. In response to an earlier thread;
I reserved 'The Little Red Book' by Mao. It got one kid in trouble. I'm wondering what kind of trouble it will get this old man into? If a million people checked out this and other books, say 'Communist Manifesto', it would tie the FIB into knots. f'em I say.
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