Sen Cornyn (TX):Civil liberties don’t matter much ‘after you’re dead,’

Cornyn Gone Wild
Posted by jesselee
Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 9:29 AM

Civil liberties don’t matter much ‘after you’re dead,’ Cornyn says on spy case

Senators launched new salvos in the battle over national security and civil liberties yesterday as recent revelations of domestic spying continued to color the chamber’s stalemate on an extension of the anti-terrorism law known as the Patriot Act.
“None of your civil liberties matter much after you’re dead,” said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), a former judge and close ally of the president who sits on the Judiciary Committee.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), who has led a bipartisan filibuster against a reauthorization of the Patriot Act, quoted Patrick Henry, an icon of the American Revolution, in response: “Give me liberty or give me death.”

He called Cornyn’s comments “a retreat from who we are and who we should be.”

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that ass is one of my Senators

Feingold takes him down

is Ron Paul, and he was a Libertarian before he was a Rethuglican. He has been all over this, voted against the war, etc. He is not Bush's* friend.

Those Republican blast fax machines must be overheating today.

Limbaugh was spinning like mad claiming that 'civil rights are not important' and that they "won't matter anyways if you're dead".

Steph Miller's show, same blather . She let him babble until he he turned it around and blamed Clinton.

and at that point, as always, she cut the dolt off with the jingle 'thanks for playing people who should be thinned from the herd'

dp

"Give me liberty or give me death."

That statement reflects an attitude that became a cornerstone for the America revolution.

Sen Corn-ya.

and personally, I feel I'm likelier to find Prince Charming and get married (and I'm old and ugly) than I am to be killed by a terrorist.

However, if this bunch continues the way they are, I will continue to be unfree, and that's far worse than death.

either, but you seem to have an unnatural fixation on that, Sen. Box Turtle.

As Attorney General of Texas while Bush was governor, he has a long history of excusing Bush's many, many, many clearly criminal actions. And the people I know who used to work for him in Texas say he's personally a disgusting person, too.

Fiengold's comments are spot on, but a better reply would have been punching Cornyn in the mouth and calling him a piece of shit. You know, elevate the discussion to the Republican level.

Try that one, Cornyn. :grr:

At least we still have DU. Where real Americans can go. :)

until the fascists take over the internet(s). :(

dipshit.

some of the things that are being said nowadays, its hard to believe I live in America. :(

After all, what does taxation with representation and the right to self-government mean if you're dead?:sarcasm:

.... But as for me, Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"

I mean, now that all the other reasons Bush gave for invading have been shown to be lies, the Repubs have clung to the liberation excuse. It was called "Operation Iraqi Freedom," wasn't it? So, we slaughtered 120K innocent humans in Iraq, and Cornyn says thats a good thing because death is better than living in oppression under Hussein, but now that Bush is shown to be an oppressor like Hussein, he's claiming that slavery is better than death?

I guess I'm just not smart enough to follow the logic of these Republicans.

It's worth OTHER PEOPLE's lives ... as long as Cornyn and cronies benefit!

Cornyn, bushbots, soccer moms calling into CSPAN who don't think it's a big deal. ALL OF THEM!

Cowards, one and all.
The Professor

Who knows, maybe they do matter.

... and then says this? What an unmitigated fucking hypocrite! :grr:

People have seen the equation throughout history as freedom is worth dying for!
Cornyn thinks people want to be in "protective custody"!!
He's a fucking fascist!

Good. Bring home the troops!

So all those thousands of people, including our dead troops, died for nothing after all? And here George Bush keeps justifying their deaths (didn't he say he'd kill them all again just to bring all this freedom and civil liberties to Iraq, recently?) by claiming they have died for a noble cause!

We must THANK Sen. Cornyn (who I hope will soon be indicted for corruption in the Abramoff affairs) for delivering the latest Rightwing talking point so eloquently and for totally debunking the Bush administration most recent reasons for the Iraq invasion.

Get those troops out of there NOW!! Murtha is right and Sen. Cornyn agrees, 'all those civil liberties don't matter much if you're dead' after all. Isn't that what we've been trying to tell them?

who knows what these people are saying from beyond the grave!

civil rights like not being killed because a bunch of people are so damn afraid of everyone, allowed the death of a man who wanted off the plane. i dont care the confusion. listening to the many people that said, even if man did not say bomb and the marshals lied, they perceived bomb. fuck the mans civil rights to live. shoot him. i am afraid.

let it be known. when a person of authority points a gun on you he has the backing of our society to shoot and kill. all had better hope that gun does not get pointed at you. you know your life is highly at risk. you dont have the right to live

so this man is well aware, rights really dont matter once you are dead. nothing really does. how expendable we all are because we are afraid. we have set precedence that fear and cowardliness will set policy. and that means, allow bush to do whatever to keep us safe, and safe from ourselves,.... that gun will be pointed at a lot of us, i am afraid.

am i being an alarmist?

Now its "better to live in a police state than die a free citizen"

you know, somehow I'd rather die a free citizen

Patting the heads of his slaves and saying, "Now, now, at least you're alive, boy!"

And I shout in reply:

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves”.

William Pitt, 1783

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

Patrick Henry

:grr:

ain't so hot either.

Mz Pip
:dem:

that can't last.}(

people did die for civil liberties, YES, THEY MATTER.

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I also take what he said as a threat.

To protect and uphold the Constitution, then it is high time for you to get the fuck out of Washington. Why, oh why John do you hate America and our liberty. Anti-American fucking asshole! You want less freedoms, go to North Korea!

They banned the Communist Party because it was a "threat." Then a special "Enabling Act" (sounds like "Patriot Act") was passed, which laid the legal foundations for the national-socialist rule of Hitler. There is only a small step to cancelling elections and detaining all sorts of "threats." Of course, U.S.A. fascism would be high-tech, and the torture would be more sanitary and de-personalized in order to protect the conscience of the torturers. Every citizen must make a decision what they will if and when real fascism comes.

The flag-waving, I-support-the-troops, USA!-USA!-USA!-shouting, Limbaugh-listening, church-going, good-patriotic-citizens will be the first to come to the aid of the neo-fascists that want to turn this republic into a police state that will make Stalin's USSR look like a minor inconvenience.

They will denounce their friends, neighbors and family to the State, they will willingly give over their children for indoctrination, they will give up their freedoms one by one to buy a little more perceived security, and they will do it all with a smile and a wave to our Benevolent Leader who, of course, has our best interests at heart...perhaps they will even rebuild the camps and the ovens.

And they will honestly believe they are serving God and the best interests of the nation. :wow:


Overly dramatic you say? Not really; that's where this thinking usually leads, sooner or later.

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

I think what Cornyn is trying to say is that if we give up our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms the terrorists might not hate us so much. :sarcasm:

God, what a mendacious piece of shit. Whatever happened to their "freedom isn't free" slogans! Everytime they send young men and women to die in Iraq they claim it is to keep our nation free. Well if our freedoms aren't worth dying for then why they hell are we sending them over there to die?

Fucking coward!