Forget the pipe dreams about impeachment.

I know it is fun to dream about * being thrown out on his ass. To think the American people will rise up in opposition to the GOP coup. But it ain't going to happen. The NSA crap has not made a difference in the polls. *'s numbers are creeping up after his Iraq speeches and the election. The Repugs still control the Government and will do so until at least '08.
I know we see a criminal organization running the country. Just don't expect enough of our fellow citizens to agree. It is too frightening for them to overturn a ruler like that. Even with a false war and a Pres. who has assumed dictatorial powers, they would rather avoid the turmoil an impeachment would bring.
Not only that, but I haven't noticed any big outcry from the Right. (Specter wants to have hearings, BFD!)
Remember this, they will hold onto power no matter what, and the people will let them.

:popcorn:

Nixon's fall began with Congressional hearings, and they weren't impeachment hearings, either.

W had a friendly Republican congress. I hope you can understand the difference between the two.

And I can even use sharp instruments w/o hurting myself. :wtf:

I also understand that Congressional Repiglicans know they don't have any coattails from Bush at this point. He can't help them in '06. As such, they have to show some independence. I expect Arlen Specter's hearings to be quite interesting.

It should be well-tempered with realism, however.

One step at a time. Congress first. And we won't get it if we run on a platform of 'impeach the President'. Sounds to much like sore losers, or something, to the American voter. At least, this is my opinion of what will happen.

Fitzgerald. And besides, impeachment isn't based on polls.

Impeachment is not a criminal justice matter, but a political one, entirely. but in order for the politics to work out, there has to be some type of criminal activity or gross incompetence.

No matter what Bush has done, or failed to do, he won't be impeached unless the political winds are blowing that way. Even then, it is doubtful that he will be convicted and removed from office. And, IMO anyway, it is also doubtful that he will ever face criminal charges, certainly not in the Hague. No President could afford to let such a precedent be set. And probably not in the American justice system, either. The powerful protect each other, even Democrats.

An indictment will LEAD to an impeachment. I know it's political, but there has to be a crime. That's what I was getting at.

not occur until the polls show that the public wants him impeached. This may be caused by an indictment, but something else might cause it, too. But even if indicted, he will not be impeached if the voters think he was justified in whatever way in his lawbreaking. That's why you can certainly expect to hear a ot about the national security in coming days. As someone once said, and as many Americans believe, "the Constitution is not a mutual suicide pact". So let them make a case for a compelling need that the sheeple will buy, and no impeachment, no matter how many righteous prosecutors look into indictable offenses. IMO.

Because I do. I'm sorry you are so negative. People out here in the real world are getting pissed off and may just vote Democratic candidates in both the House and Senate this time around, thereby negating bush's power.

And it takes a 2/3 majority in the Senate to vote for an impeachment conviction.

it afterwards into the next 8 years as well. This will happen because we didn't stop them now by '08 they will have changed everything in their favor and control the voting as well. We got to stop them by taking back the House, the Senate or both in '06. If that doesn't happen - it's all over.

mistaken belief that cynicism is strength then enjoy a country where you can feel smug and have no democracy. Not for me brother, no way. Use this list to demand immediate impeachment proceedings. I will not lie down and cower. I will fight for the promise of my Democracy.


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"I will not lie down and cower"

:toast:

do we need a new DU group :evilgrin:

peace

It could happen.

I watched Watergate closely and lived in DC at the time. It was great!

Sometimes these things get legs like you wouldn't believe.

I think the chimp has crossed the line with this.

And a different Repug. Party. There are no independent Repugs in leadership positions. The hearings that took place under Nixon were in a Dem Congress.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just realistic.

mainstream America rallying against *. With all the talk here about impeachment and taking back the country you would think *'s poll numbers have plummeted below 30% after the NSA revelations. They haven't, he's back over 40%. And while most Americans don't agree with the non warranted wiretaps, they still buy into the "He's keeping us safe crap.
I think talk of impeachment, while fun, is unrealistic.

Just getting out the news that Bush has committed impeachable offenses is lots of fun. And it might encourage the "frightened majority" to think for themselves. I'm sure the very idea unsettles his puppet-masters.

Of course, we can't do it until we have a Democratic majority in Congress. Let's remind people as the 2006 elections come up!

However, we cannot roll over now. What makes us who we are is that we believe in our country and that we will eventually prevail. No one thought that Nixon would be out on his ass either. What needs to happen now is that we keep the pressure on our representatives to REPRESENT US. Don't allow them to silence you, we need your voice.

The public doesn't care, it isn't that big a deal, blah, blah, blah.

Two years later Nixon was gone.

Give it time friend, give it time.

when the President is caught red handed illegally spying on Americans and breaking the law? The last president was impeached over a fucking lie in court about a blow job for Christ sakes!

Is this bizarro world?! We're supposed to forget about impeachment when this guy is illegally spying on anyone in this country that's to the left of Attila the Hun. The rule of law means nothing if this is just allowed to pass.

There are things that you do because you think they will be successful and there are things that you do out of obligation, just because they are right. This falls under the latter category.

that you got this attitude. I live in a red state, but I keep on fighting, and will continue. I've called my congresspeople, and I'm ready to march, leaflet, and do whatever it takes to keep my country. I won't let the blood of my ancestors, who have fought for this country since the American Revolution, have been shed in vain.

I am not saying for us to shut up. I am not saying that we should not offer a strong and vigorous opposition. Hell, I'm not even saying we shouldn't call for impeachment. I am just saying that to really expect it to happen is a pipe dream.
I do think there needs to be voices to speak truth to power. The pendulum will swing back (unless they continue to steal elections!) But a I don't see America rising up to turn them out.

which say that now that we have clear evidence of criminal behavior (he even admitted it) when will impeachment begin? It won't.

You piss the American people off enough and you're out on your ass! We've had it with Bush. Every Republican I know was sick of his crap, because of Iraq, BEFORE they heard about this latest fiasco. That disapproval has now turned to anger.

I, for one, am not going to throw my hands up in despair, and just give up. I'm going to fight. At least, that way, even if we don't win, we know we at least tried.

And that of his new Chief Justice. To get all testimony on the record. To put the President on notice. To form the basis of a possible prosecution in '09.

There are all kinds of reasons to pass articles of impeachment that have nothing to do with actually removing the President from office. House GoOPers knew that in '98. What goes around comes around.

The question is not "Can he be impeached", it's "SHOULD he be impeached?" If the answer is yes, then working for impeachment is the right thing to do.

If the laws of this country mean anything other than whatever is politically expedient at the moment, then working for impeachment is the right thing to do. If the common man is suspected of murder or embezzlement or stalking or whatever, there is no need of a political movement to have him arrested, it just happens. The same rules ought to apply to the government, but they don't. So we work to enforce them.

Also, who said anything about "dreaming of impeachment"? We are talking about WORKING for impeachment. It would be good if you worked with us, if you haven't already written to the editor and called your congressman.

read the letters in the NYT about the NSA wiretaps.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/20/opinion/l20spy.html

the rest did not. Hardly a clear indication that the american people are ready to accept a king.

:eyes:

It's my rallying cry!

And Bush has even admitted it.

It's not a question of whether he should be impeached. it's a realistic look at the chances of that happening. It is such a different environment today from that of Nixon. The GOP simply won't allow it to go forward.
I want to remind everyone of their overblown optimism last year when Kerry trounced Junior in three debates. Surely the American people saw we were being lead by a moron. It didn't happen.

DIEBOLD

What kind of odds do you think MLK was up against?

It is a good thing for humanity he didn't listen to people telling him, "it will never happen".

I didn't agree with it either. I believe in the power of people, and people in action. I have seldom seen DU so energized in the past 4 years. When the silent majority finds their voice, the political players will have to listen. They will maybe only do it to protect theri position, but they will listen.

And I think the psyche of the average American is in a dire enough strait to make for a very fertile ground for revolution. The subcutaneous anger only needs to be channeled.

The dems and DU can do that.

There is a marked difference in the tone of responses to your post and Will's though.



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