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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:32 AM
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If the government takes our freedoms, the terrorists have won.
Memorize that. I think it might resonate.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:33 AM
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1. I agree
Especially since the rw meme seems to be that being safe is more important than having ANY civil liberties.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:34 AM
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2. No one wants the terrorists to win! :)
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:35 AM
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3. "If"? How about "While"?
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mattomjoe Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:36 AM
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4. Exactly. Everyone keeps wondering when they will attack again.
But why would they need to? We've brought the fight to them and our government keeps using the threat of terrorism to get us to comply with whatever they want. Seems to me that all 9/11 did was plant the seed. Bush-Cheney have been watering it vigorously ever since.
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:36 AM
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5. Perfect
I will definitely spread those words of wisdom.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:37 AM
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6. repeat that please.
again and again.

If the government takes our freedoms, the terrorists have won.

If there was ever a message in dire need of an echo chamber, this message needs an echo chamber.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:37 AM
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7. Well it was never about the terrorist in the first place
They just happened to be a convenient avenue for a coup.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:28 PM
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17. convenient?
or well placed?
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:30 PM
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18. I'm am beginning to think that point is debatable
Truly a sad moment.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:50 PM
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24. "i get more and more cynical the older i get, but it's never
enough to keep up." lily tomlin

and i would have to live to be about 348 to get old enough to keep up with this gang.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:57 PM
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25. I know, the older I get, and thus the more experience I acquire
The more I realize just how delusional and insane the world is and I think, 'you know, this should possible concern me." LOL
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:18 PM
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35. .
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:38 AM
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8. Sadly the RWers seem incapable of getting this through their
neocon skulls. They have no understanding that the current administration is doing more actual harm to our society than any terrorist could hope to do.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:39 AM
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9. I'm glad y'all like it. Recommends welcome ;)
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:32 AM
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15. Done!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:41 PM
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20. :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:43 AM
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10. thanks!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:51 AM
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11. Kick.
If They hate us for our Freedoms,
And our own Government takes our Freedoms away,
Then our Government is giving aid and comfort to the Enemy,

So no wonder we haven't been attacked again,
Because the terrists are winning,
Thanks to their proxy, the US Government.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:54 AM
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12. thanks! I remember right after 9/11 we had such a united country
Not everyone, but many, myself included. It was about us pulling together and I remember many saying we could not let the terrorists win because we were, after all, America! Land of the FREE.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:57 AM
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13. You have that
one on the money. They know that erosion of our civil liberties will lead to the probability of a civil war--which will be the ultimate--or on the road to ultimate--way to render us far less powerful than we are now.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:00 AM
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14. We need to pull together and spell it out.
Interesting times...
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:34 AM
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16. K&R....I will repeat often.....n/t
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:36 PM
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19. How about "He Broke the Law" (meme heard on Lynne Cullen)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:34 PM
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27. I'm not sure Republicans would care if it meant we were more safe - now
having the terrorists win because our freedom has been taken away, THAT I think they could understand and care about.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:15 PM
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33. That's the point. Most don't care that he broke the law...
"just as long as he's protecting us" :mad:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:25 PM
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34. Yes, it's disgusting... ends justify the means kind of crap
but they wouldn't want to be on the same side as the terrorists... would they?? :o
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:28 PM
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41. 9/11 proved how incompetent they are at that!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:30 PM
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42. funny they don't see that!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:41 PM
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21. Great.
I'm going to use this for a bumper sticker:
When the Republicans TAKE our FREEDOMS
the TERRORISTS WIN!!!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:30 PM
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30. I like it!!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:42 PM
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22. self delete
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 12:49 PM by bvar22

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:42 PM
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23. self delete
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 12:49 PM by bvar22
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lady raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:00 PM
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26. Why don't people GET that?
I wonder how many here DIDN'T think that- Probably not many. But the sheeple sure don't seem to get it at all.

Their fuhrer even said it- "They hate us for our freedom". So of course, they LOVE that we are losing our freedom. HELLO SHEEPLE!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:56 PM
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31. They are scared silly.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:43 PM
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28. Simply perfect and perfectly simple.
I will repeat this far and wide.

"If the government takes our freedoms, the terrorists have won."
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:21 PM
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29. well said
:thumbsup:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:12 PM
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32. shameless kick
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:21 PM
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36. why how dare you?
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:22 PM
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37. Great bumper sticker!
I hope someone makes it soon.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:24 PM
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38. Thank you! I did make it. Go to cafepress.com/wiretap

www.cafepress.com/wiretap

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:25 PM
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39. If the government takes our freedoms, they are the terrorists. nt
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 05:55 PM by sfexpat2000
/typo
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:28 PM
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40. Yes, couldn't be more clear!
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:31 PM
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43. I am just as concerned about the American Taliban as I am
about the Islamic terrorists.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:36 PM
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44. I saw someone say that religious extremists are dangerous here and abroad
:)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:54 AM
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45. .
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:06 AM
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46. A Quote from Ben Franklin:
"Those who would give up their liberties for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Ben Franklin
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:57 AM
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48. I LOVE that quote.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:56 AM
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47. punt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 01:04 AM
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49. YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 01:14 AM
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50. I know things are getting bad when my brain starts having a hard
time differentiating the two.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:30 AM
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51. Given the latest news about *, I give this a kick. Also, I got my bumper
sticker today!
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