A week after Tookie's execution and no riots?

I guess the media's attempt in trying to incite a riot failed.

Now they're forced to come up with something else to cover besides illegal wiretapping, illegal torturing of war prisoners and illegal shenanigans by Diebold.

I guess it's a good thing the Crips and Bloods are most likely not reading the LA Times over their morning coffee.

into the same fenced area and let them duke it out and take bets on who wins. I hope it is a joke. They complain they have to hire all these guards just to keep all the gangs separate so they don't hurt each other.

Wardens are sadistic by nature.

He has helped everybody in our family moneywise. Helped me get a job (that I quit). When prisoners get out he will take them to job interviews if they cannot drive. Takes them to church. Volunteers no the fire department and has charity drives for the kids of prisoners when they need medicine or doctors.

My uncle is a nice guy. Nicer than our family deserves and he is a great guy to the prisoners he is just tired of having so many guards just to keep gangs from killing each other because his budget is set.

And I don't want to generalize. But wardens as well as prison guards are known to be sadistic by nature.

"Sadistic by nature"??? WTF does that even mean?

You should read a book called Newjack: Guarding Sing Sing. The writer went undercover for a year as a New York State Corrections officer. It will give you real perspective on the job of corrections, and demonstrate that 1) the sadism associated with corrections is generally a myth; 2) it is the conditions of corrections that produces it where it does exist for the most part. I am not of course saying that it is the prisoners' fault. Rather, the configuration of forces that constitute modern penal institutions is the primary cause of the way people behave (on either side of the bars) within those institutions. You say "are known" in the passive voice. That's convenient, since you don't have to actually cite anyone. In fact, I can think of any respectable person who's studied or encountered the corrections archipelago in the US who would assent to that claim. It's absurd on its face.

I believe that wardens and prison guards tend to be sadistic by nature.

It is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

It happens to be an unsupportable opinion, which is of course the worst kind.

Not to mention the disservice you do to all the people who are more or less forced into corrections for economic reasons. Go to the many towns in Upstate New York where people used to have good factory jobs and now have only the prison industrial complex as a potential employer and talk about your imagined "tendency towards sadism" with those folks. Just an opinion...well, yeah, that kinda makes it even worse.

I worked in corrections for a year, and I, of course (as you know), was NOT a sadistic guard. (In fact, I got in trouble with my assistant super for "thinking too much like a convict") -- BUT I did see guards act in sadistic ways on more than one occasion, not only toward the inmates but toward fellow guards. I even saw the shift supervisor and the night crew stage a faked escape attempt one night, just to spook a new female CO, forcing her to conduct an entire investigation and write up reports before she got off shift, before telling her that it was all a "joke." When the day shift came on, the inmates were coming up to us saying, "Hey, who tried to hit the fence last night?" It was that "good" of a fake that even the convicts were fooled. Prison guards come in all persuasions from compassionate to sadistic -- just like most people.

ed. I should add that the fake escape was in no way a training exercise. It was pure sexual harassment, and the participating officers did get shuffled around a little bit, but weren't censured nearly adequately enough, in my opinion.

You being one of a handful of DUers I've met in real life, all I have to say is, if I were in prison, you could be my guard anytime.

dirty LA cops put two rival dope dealers in a shipping container and waited? When they opened the container one had killed the other. I'm sure this has happened for real and the writers used it for their story.

I'm really happy that it didn't. I have never been happier being wrong.

There's a big difference between say a group of cops getting off for beating a black man nearly to death and a black guy getting executed for brutally killing people. Made me think some people feel black people are just dumb and want to riot without regard to a real reason. Trust me, the black community of LA didn't care about a guy who helped form the crips, many probably said good riddance.

Hopefully this made people realize that black people are not going to riot just because the media says they are.

Reminds me of the BS during Katrina...:think:

Gang members? :shrug:

Victims of the Crips are predominantly black and poor. Poor black people are probably more glad to see Tookie dead than people on average are.

with their morning coffee.

Or do they just read it online?

Though some may go directly to the sports page?

I'm not sure why people would assume that they do not. :shrug:

I guess I don't understand your question. Are you implying that it's crazy to think gang members read the newspaper?

To picture them reading the LA Times with their morning coffee at the kitchen table while their wife gets their 2.2 kids ready for school.

getting 2.2 kids ready for school?

People read newspapers. People drink coffee.

I'm not sure how reading a newspaper and drinking coffee suddenly became an exclusively bourgeois operation seated at a suburban kitchenette. Probably just your imagination running wild, as in the evil prison guard discussion. Do you generally have problems separating your imagination from reality? I'd get that checked.

Would, of course, "get that checked."

Me, I have better things to do.

that gang members read newspapers. It's your fight. That you can't support yourself with anything but your wacky preconceptions (again!) is really none of my business.

gang members read newspapers. Then you're the one with wacky preconceptions. Perhaps you should re-read the OP. Baby.

I said you "challenged the notion that gang members read newspapers," which you did. Do you know what it means to "challenge" something? Shall we move more slowly?

Yes, gang members read the paper. It's a good place to find out about the activities of the police and other criminals. The image the OP was mocking, maybe, was them sitting down to bagels and lattes and reading an editorial about tax reform. So you're both right on this count.

I can, however, attest to the sadism of correctional officers. A sociologist I know worked in a prison where the guards would arrange rapes in the auditorium and charge admission to prominent citizens. I've been verbally abused and punished by deprivation by officers in an American jail (without ever being charged with a crime). So please don't deny that there's a big problem with prisoner abuse in this country.

were dreadful, althouhgh I believe it is somewhat overblown. I denied that corrections officers are either 1) naturally sadistic (whatever that may mean) or 2) naturally "tend toward" sadism (another concept that few sociologists, I'd imagine, would even know how to interpret seriously). I think the problems are systemic rather than the effect of naturally sadistic guards.

As for gang members reading the papers, I never suggested or implied that they did so in some sunny suburban scene, Ward Cleaver style. That's the part that was invented wholecloth by Rage. That said, I think many probably read the paper like most other people, not necessarily trawlin' for crime opportunities. I'm perplexed as to why this concpet seems so foreign. It's not like gang members are weird henchmen for the penguin or something; it's not always "on."

Being that you're so observant, I want you to re-read the sentence in the OP that is getting your panties in a bunch.

"I guess it's a good thing the Crips and Bloods are most likely not reading the LA Times over their morning coffee."

The key words here are "most likely not reading" and "morning coffee".

Never did I say that "all gangbangers never read the newspaper." And never did I say that "all gangbangers don't read the paper over their morning coffee."

To spell it out for you, I'm saying that "most" gangbangers are not early risers.

Now before you refer me to some obscure book that will contradict me, let me tell that I spent several years covering law enforcement for newspapers in the Southwest, including Southern California and Phoenix.

The bulk of my working hours was spent in gang-infested neighborhoods. They really didn't come out in the morning nor in the early afternoon. When I did interview them, whether it was because I was seeking comments about an incident or an arrest or even a low-rider car show, it would always have to be at night.

Oh yeah, they were always sure to buy the newspaper when they knew their names was going to be in print.

Sorry, I don't have the source; I can find it in a day or two if you want. With most dangerous jobs (like, say, high-rise steel work) the stress caused by the danger fades over time. This means possibly that more seasoned workers are more casual and thus more prone to accident--but the job doesn't eat them up at home. With CO's, this is not the case--the stress of the job and specifically the associated dangers increases over time, leading to psychological problems.

All humans likely have some natural sadism--it's pretty natural, for instance, to laugh at others' misfortune, and look at kids for pete's sake!--but it takes environment to make it pathological.

Aren't we so pompous. You must annoy the hell out of your friends and co-workers.

I knew you'd hit that tired ad hominem soon enough. Next time, learn to read a bit more closely and you won't have to worry about embarrassing yourself with the silly old "your friends and coworkers" insults.

I really don't take any dispute I have with some random stranger on an internet message board that seriously.

Easy breezy, I'm sure.

Your absurd responses above all.

Hard.

I was listening to the live coverage and after Mr. Williams was executed one guy came out to tell everyone and he said to not be violent because it's what Mr. Williams would have wanted (no violence). So I think that's why there hasn't been any riots.

which is more than some duers did...

once again...