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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:18 PM
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AFP: For years, Bush said court orders required for spying >>>
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 01:25 PM by Stephanie

More LIES from George W. Bush. And delivered in that pedantic, "let me explain something to you" way he has. Nauseating.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051220/pl_afp/usattacksintelligence_051220175012

For years, Bush said court orders required for spying

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In 2004 and 2005, Bush repeatedly argued that the controversial Patriot Act package of anti-terrorism laws safeguards civil liberties because US authorities still need a warrant to tap telephones in the United States.

"Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order," he said on April 20, 2004 in Buffalo, New York.

"Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so," he added.

On April 19, 2004, Bush said the Patriot Act enabled law-enforcement officials to use "roving wiretaps," which are not fixed to a particular telephone, against terrorism, as they had been against organized crime.

"You see, what that meant is if you got a wiretap by court order -- and by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example," he said in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

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"Law enforcement officers need a federal judge's permission to wiretap a foreign terrorist's phone, a federal judge's permission to track his calls, or a federal judge's permission to search his property," he said in June.

"Officers must meet strict standards to use any of these tools. And these standards are fully consistent with the Constitution of the United States," he added in remarks at the Ohio State Highway Patrol Academy.







US President George W. Bush waves to the audience prior to speaking at the Waukesha County Exposition Center to kick off a one day bus trip through Wisconsin 14 July 2004 in Waukesha County, Wisconsin. 'A couple of things that are very important for you to understand about the Patriot Act. First of all, any action that takes place by law enforcement requires a court order,' he said, 14 July 2004 in Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin.(AFP/File/Stephen Jaffe)

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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:20 PM
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1. Don't forget to rate it up
You beat me to posting this by minutes. :-)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:23 PM
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3. boo!
Is it in LBN yet? Race ya...
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:22 PM
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2. Ah, but wait...
...there's the crux of it.

"Law enforcement officers need a federal judge's permission to wiretap a foreign terrorist's phone..."

He says FOREIGN terrorist, so Scotty and BushCo will argue that he wasn't lying because he said nothing about domestic terrorists, like the Quakers and Catholic workers charity.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:26 PM
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4. and we have to take his word for it
since there is no oversight
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:32 PM
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5. msnbc just reported on this speech. They are onto it!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:32 PM
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6. then they said Scotty said that Bush was talking of PA--not this program.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:43 PM
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9. well of course he wasn't talking about this program
since it was SECRET - but he was LYING as usual.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:33 PM
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7. ARGH ! Patriot Act Wiretapping != NSA Wiretapping
Normally, the Government needs a court order to get a wiretap.

With the Patriot Act, the rules of this are changed when getting taps for calls WITHIN, repeat, WITHIN the USA.
With the NSA Spying, the rules of this are SUSPENDED UTTERLY when getting taps for calls that go INTO or OUT OF the USA to a FOREIGN country.

That is the difference. I am not saying that the NSA thing is legal, I am just spelling out the freaking difference, because people are still quoting that old quote from Bush about roving wiretaps and the Patriot Act, and they are looking like fools to the Neocons.

Patriot Act Wiretapping != NSA Wiretapping.

Stop associating the two. If you want to bitch about the PA, do so clearly. Its like associating 9/11 and Iraq!!!

:D (<---- note smily face which indicates I still love you all)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:36 PM
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8. its the principle--the need for court orders for evesdropping on American
s that is the issue
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