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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:40 PM
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I am your Commander in Chief which more than a President
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 03:42 PM by IChing
Bush's obsession with being a 'wartime president'
By DOUG THOMPSON

Play close attention to Bush’s speeches and words and you see this obsession with being a wartime President. Whenever he wants to justify an action that pushes the envelope he refers to himself as the “commander in chief,” not the President. In Bush’s world, being commander in chief gives him greater latitude in pursuing actions that may or may not be legal.

“I’m the commander in chief,” he told Congressional leaders at a recent White House meeting. “Do it may way.”

During his interview last week with Jim Lehrer last week, Bush referred to himself often as the “commander in chief” while discussing the decision to invade Iraq. In his Saturday radio address where he admitted authorizing spying, he again invoked the war president theme.>>>snip

During his interview last week with Jim Lehrer last week, Bush referred to himself often as the “commander in chief” while discussing the decision to invade Iraq. In his Saturday radio address where he admitted authorizing spying, he again invoked the war president theme.

“To fight the war on terror, I am using authority vested in me by Congress, including the Joint Authorization for Use of Military Force, which passed overwhelmingly in the first week after September the 11th. I'm also using constitutional authority vested in me as Commander-in-Chief,” Bush said.

In Bush’s mind, his role as President is limited by the constitution, the same constitution that he feels gives him greater authority as commander-in-chief so he can “do everything in my power.”>>>>>>>>snip out in sections from

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7848.shtml


He is not commander in chief of me, I am not in the military, he is only commander in chief of the military.



From the US constitution

Section 2.


The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:45 PM
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1. C in C?bush enjoys sharing his delusions of grandeur
more like resident puppet
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:01 PM
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3. Being C in C is his legal backdrop against his constitutional duties
Just as he uses the military for his backdrop with his speeches rather than ordinary voters
The outright brazen use of them was used as a propaganda brainwashing technique
for the rest of the nation, to prepare them for his commander in chief role superseding his presidential
powers. This is what Woo used in his legal arguments for the pResident's abuse of powers.

In a humorous note along these lines I found this:
The pResident speaks:

"Sure I'm no legal scholar, but when the Founding Fathers put limits on Presidential powers they didn't mean me. Or if they did, they knew the best person to interpret where those limits were was me."

"Already we've learned so much we never could have if we'd used search warrants. There's a group of twelve anti-war quakers which met earlier this year in Florida. Thanks to our sophisticated surveillance we've learned they're against the war in Iraq. Definitely a good use of our military assets. After extensive illegal investigation we also learned that Michael Moore is against the war in Iraq. We could never have learned this through legal channels, unless we watched his movie. Right now someone is making fun of me in Michigan, writing pResident instead of President when referring to me. Not only is that a threat to our country, it's just not funny, not funny at all."

Administrative spokesman Orr Wellian elaborated on the program, "Sure we could use our assets to locate bin Laden but spying on Americans is much more fun. Bin Laden can threaten your lives, but only the government can threaten your freedom. Not that we are, we're just spying on you illegaly, there's nothing wrong with that. People say George Bush is a President not a King, but don't be so sure. If a king is what we need to fight the war on terror then a king is what you're going to get. We will protect you in every way possible, legal, illegal, moral or immoral. It's not the people's place to tell the government what to do, what kind of system is this? We see no greater threat to this country than people speaking their minds and we're intent on stopping it. Remember the new national motto 'Just Pretend Everything's OK' or else."

Courtesy Mark Hoolihan and the Hoolinet
Copyright 2005 Boniface Bugle Productions. All Rights Absurd.
http://www.hoolinet.com/Default.aspx?tabid=284
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:58 PM
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2. In other words,
he sees himself as military dictator. That's what the reference to "commander in chief" means.

The NSA is not part of the military is it? If he's using "commander in chief" to usurp the Constitution by illegally wiretapping Americans, it doesn't stand up.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:27 PM
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4. He has taken imperium upon himself.
Not even the Roman emperors had that kind of gall, relying upon a subservient Senate to confer the power upon them. But that's apparently what he thinks he is: the ultimate magistrate, supreme military commander.

Remember the Ides of March.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:34 PM
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5. I told you DUers a long time ago that in his mind Bush is the...
GROFAZ!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:08 PM
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6. I doubt he read any books on military strategy but he likes
dressing up and acting like he is grofaz, the term (from nazi germany acronym meaning greatest commander of all time).

And this administration famously feels that there are no constraints on the powers of a president in his role as Commander-in-Chief. So viola! No constitutional problems there! But it fails to address the constitution of the US of what the C in C is commander of and that is not civilians as I posted in my other reply.

Generalissimo El Busho

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:41 PM
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7. Bush had the big o at those death camps.
You're right Hitler wasn't stupid and he knew how to speak in public without a box under his coat. Hitler did his time in the military without going AWOL too. Hitler overruled his generals who were commanding in the USSR and the wheels started to fall off of his war machine almost as soon as he did it.

Hitler was a dictator, bush is a d??k head!
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