Malloy is hyperventilating over Conyers' CENSURE.

He's pissed as hell that it isn't articles of IMPEACHMENT. WHY isn't Conyers' moving for IMPEACHMENT NOW??? Any reason you can give me? I know Censure may lead to Impeachment, but why isn't he going full out on impeachment now?

It didn't stop them from impeaching Clinton in the House. Dem.'s need to wrap themselves in the COTUS, just as the Repugs have always tried to wrap themselves in the flag. Bush-boy attacked the COTUS. Make the Repugs go on record as not having lived up to their oaths to preserve, protect, and defend the COTUS from traitors like Bush-boy. I want these bastards themselves labeled as traitors to our republic for not defending our Constitution.

The Repugnicans held both houses of congress in 1998. The Democrats took the Senate back when Jim Jeffords left the Repugnican party on June 5th, 2001.

Yes, that's right. I remembered it incorrectly. My mistake. The point I was trying to make was that the House Repugs knew they probably wouldn't win in the Senate because of the 2/3rd majority rule. But they impeached anyway. I want the dem.'s to do the same. It's not like they can't try to impeach again when they presumably do get control in '06.

Here's how that sham played out on 2-12-99:

Abraham (R-MI), Guilty
Akaka (D-HI), Not Guilty
Allard (R-CO), Guilty
Ashcroft (R-MO), Guilty
Baucus (D-MT), Not Guilty
Bayh (D-IN), Not Guilty
Bennett (R-UT), Guilty
Biden (D-DE), Not Guilty
Bingaman (D-NM), Not Guilty
Bond (R-MO), Guilty
Boxer (D-CA), Not Guilty
Breaux (D-LA), Not Guilty
Brownback (R-KS), Guilty
Bryan (D-NV), Not Guilty
Bunning (R-KY), Guilty
Burns (R-MT), Guilty
Byrd (D-WV), Not Guilty
Campbell (R-CO), Guilty
Chafee, J. (R-RI), Not Guilty
Cleland (D-GA), Not Guilty
Cochran (R-MS), Guilty
Collins (R-ME), Not Guilty
Conrad (D-ND), Not Guilty
Coverdell (R-GA), Guilty
Craig (R-ID), Guilty
Crapo (R-ID), Guilty
Daschle (D-SD), Not Guilty
DeWine (R-OH), Guilty
Dodd (D-CT), Not Guilty
Domenici (R-NM), Guilty
Dorgan (D-ND), Not Guilty
Durbin (D-IL), Not Guilty
Edwards (D-NC), Not Guilty
Enzi (R-WY), Guilty
Feingold (D-WI), Not Guilty
Feinstein (D-CA), Not Guilty
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Guilty
Frist (R-TN), Guilty
Gorton (R-WA), Not Guilty
Graham (D-FL), Not Guilty
Gramm (R-TX), Guilty
Grams (R-MN), Guilty
Grassley (R-IA), Guilty
Gregg (R-NH), Guilty
Hagel (R-NE), Guilty
Harkin (D-IA), Not Guilty
Hatch (R-UT), Guilty
Helms (R-NC), Guilty
Hollings (D-SC), Not Guilty
Hutchinson (R-AR), Guilty
Hutchison (R-TX), Guilty
Inhofe (R-OK), Guilty
Inouye (D-HI), Not Guilty
Jeffords (R-VT), Not Guilty
Johnson (D-SD), Not Guilty
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Guilty
Kerrey (D-NE), Not Guilty
Kerry (D-MA), Not Guilty
Kohl (D-WI), Not Guilty
Kyl (R-AZ), Guilty
Landrieu (D-LA), Not Guilty
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Guilty
Leahy (D-VT), Not Guilty
Levin (D-MI), Not Guilty
Lieberman (D-CT), Not Guilty
Lincoln (D-AR), Not Guilty
Lott (R-MS), Guilty
Lugar (R-IN), Guilty
Mack (R-FL), Guilty
McCain (R-AZ), Guilty
McConnell (R-KY), Guilty
Mikulski (D-MD), Not Guilty
Moynihan (D-NY), Not Guilty
Murkowski (R-AK), Guilty
Murray (D-WA), Not Guilty
Nickles (R-OK), Guilty
Reed (D-RI), Not Guilty
Reid (D-NV), Not Guilty
Robb (D-VA), Not Guilty
Roberts (R-KS), Guilty
Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Guilty
Roth (R-DE), Guilty
Santorum (R-PA), Guilty
Sarbanes (D-MD), Not Guilty
Schumer (D-NY), Not Guilty
Sessions (R-AL), Guilty
Shelby (R-AL), Not Guilty
Smith (R-NH), Guilty
Smith (R-OR), Guilty
Snowe (R-ME), Not Guilty
Specter (R-PA), Not Guilty
Stevens (R-AK), Not Guilty
Thomas (R-WY), Guilty
Thompson (R-TN), Not Guilty
Thurmond (R-SC), Guilty
Torricelli (D-NJ), Not Guilty
Voinovich (R-OH), Guilty
Warner (R-VA), Not Guilty
Wellstone (D-MN), Not Guilty
Wyden (D-OR), Not Guilty

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00017

yet that didn't stop Republicans from pushing for impeachment hearings over Vince Foster and Whitewater during the midterm elections, and nothing wrong with accusing Hillary of murder, but it can only be treason to call Bush a murderer! :

Why do these Democrats feel obligated to kiss this bastard's ass? :grr:
As long as any Democratic officeholder cares only about his or her political survival, our party is doomed!!

Why go for Impeachment if you know it will fall flat?

Build your coalition carefully so your Articles of Impeachment have a chance.

www.CensureBush.org

The AfterDowningStreet.org coalition, an alliance of over 100 grassroots organizations, has launched a new campaign called CensureBush.org in order to support new legislation introduced by Congressman John Conyers that would censure President Bush and Vice President Cheney and create a select committee to investigate the Administration's possible crimes and make recommendations regarding grounds for impeachment.

If they get a Censure from Congress, that will be the end of the matter, and Chimpy will remain in the White House to break more laws. Censure might have been appropriate for Clinton's blow job, but it's not nearly enough here.

Chimpeach the motherfucker.

Or just the beginning?

and we will get a TON of information, it will be in the news, on every network and the SHEEPLE will turn on the bastard. It's my hope. :)

There are actually three different resolutions.

H. Res. 635 creates a Select Committee with subpoena authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration with regard to the Iraq war and report on possible impeachable offenses.

H. Res. 636 and H. Res. 637 propose respectively that President Bush and Vice-President Cheney be censured by Congress based on the uncontroverted evidence already on the record and their failure to respond to Congressional and public inquiries about their many specific misstatements in the run up to War.

Which will only help us win in 2006. With a Congress on our side, you know damn well they will bring up impeachment.

Sorry, Im getting sick of Malloys kneejerking and DNC bashing.

He should be impeached. He should've been when he first told he did it. Tried, convenected and removed.

Since the GOP is in the majority, impeachment cannot go forward without support from a bunch of them.

to do so. We are more likely now to get Rethugs to CENSURE than impeach. Then we can work to retake the House in '06 to begin impeachment.

in the Republican dominated House. But, he may already know he may be able to get the votes for a Censure in the House, and that could pave the way for full Impeachment after the 2006 elections if the balance of the House changes. He may know something we don't about who will and will not vote fot Censure over Impeachment at the moment. That's my guess, anyway.

Goodness knows, that Conyers does not lack in the guts or chutzspah departments, so if he could bring Articles of Impeachment now, I believe he would.

TC

Edited to add this:

Raising the Issue of Impeachment

As President Bush and his aides scramble to explain new revelations regarding Bush's authorization of spying on the international telephone calls and emails of Americans, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, has begun a process that could lead to the censure, and perhaps the impeachment, of the president and vice president.

U.S. Representative John Conyers, the Michigan Democrat who was a critical player in the Watergate and Iran-Contra investigations into presidential wrongdoing, has introduced a package of resolutions that would censure President Bush and Vice President Cheney and create a select committee to investigate the Administration's possible crimes and make recommendations regarding grounds for impeachment.

The Conyers resolutions add a significant new twist to the debate about how to hold the administration to account. Members of Congress have become increasingly aggressive in the criticism of the White House, with U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia, saiying Monday, "Americans have been stunned at the recent news of the abuses of power by an overzealous President. It has become apparent that this Administration has engaged in a consistent and unrelenting pattern of abuse against our Country's law-abiding citizens, and against our Constitution." Even Republicans, including Senate Judiciary Committee chair Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, are talking for the first time about mounting potentially serious investigations into abuses of power by the president.

But Conyers is seeking to do much more than schedule a committee hearing, or even launch a formal inquiry. He is proposing that the Congress use all of the powers that are available to it to hold the president and vice president to account – up to and including the power to impeach the holders of the nation's most powerful positions and to remove them from office.

Entire Article:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=43981

If there's one man in Congress I trust, it's John Conyers. The man knows what he's doing -- let him work the machine, folks!

I admire that man so much!
:loveya:

Surely he has talked to repukes about this? He must have some who will vote for censure. PLEASE G-D!

Ayep.

Hell, if a brave man (and someone in a safe seat) like Conyers isn't "going for it" then there would likely be a good reason, no?

"The Report also concludes that these charges clearly rise to the level of impeachable conduct. However, because the Administration has failed to respond to requests for information about these charges, it is not yet possible to conclude that an impeachment inquiry or articles of impeachment are warranted."

:hi: I just got home from picking my son up from school, turned on Malloy and this is what he was talking/yelling/screaming/railing about. :) I love Malloy. NOW, he's moved on to the NYT!!! He's Maaaaaaad as hell!

Wait a year. Oh wait, Malloy also tells people to not donate to the DNC.

So I guess all Malloy wants to do is bitch and never solve the problem. :eyes: :eyes:

Mike says HE won't donate to the Democratic party because he doesn't feel the national party is doing much. In his view "the jury is still out on Dean". I disagree with him there, but I certainly DO agree that most of the DC Democrats still aren't doing shit. Conyers being a notable exception on several occasions. In any event, Malloy has said that he continues to donate to individual Democrats and/or organizations that ARE doing something. He's not telling anyone else they have to do the same, BTW.

Go read Deans FOIC statement.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5647673&mesg_id=5647673

"The undersigned requestors fall in the category of “other requestors” for purposes of FOIA and the Department’s FOIA fee regulations. On behalf of the undersigned requestors, the Democratic National Committee will pay any fees for searching or copying the requested records.

We look forward to your response within twenty (20) working days as the law requires. If you have any questions or need any further information concerning this request, please contact the first signatory below, Governor Howard Dean. Thank you for your prompt attention to this important matter."


Thats paid for by DONATIONS TO THE DNC. The same DNC that Mike Malloy is STABBING IN THE BACK.

H.RES.635 : Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.

Might want to f-ing call him, Will....

re the f-ing comment by Will, it was a hoot. Kathy was great!

telling him the Conyer's resolutions are based on his step by step work prior to the Felony revelation.

I also explained that Conyers solid work over 3 years has established the real grounds for impeachment.

Mike is a very logical person and he will see your point of view after he mulls it over.

And with a little help from others. :-)

Conyers perhaps builds a coaltion to create censure. Even if it's a close no, but especially is he pulls it off, two things happen: 1) In 2006 elections, the dems mobilize the base because they've grown a spine. 2) The president is damaged goods and the repub incumbents have to run away from him. This could lead to a shift in majority, and then the real punishment can take root.
The Professor

http://www.conyersblog.us/

The Constitution in Crisis: Censure and Investigate Possible Impeachment

For more information, go to www.johnconyers.com

Cross Posted at Huffington Post and DailyKos

Today, I am releasing a staff report entitled, "The Constitution in Crisis: The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution and Coverups in the Iraq War.

Before talking about the report, I must express my profound gratitude to the readers of this site, who kept this story alive when no one would cover it, and continued to talk about it after some in the media moved on. Much of the research in this report is a product of the input and hard work of DailyKos, Huffington Post and Conyersblog readers over the last six months (the help with my "timeline project" was particularly useful). I also am so grateful to progressive talk radio hosts and listeners, who have refused to allow the American people to forget the nation was deceived into war.

Now on to the Report and what I plan to do about it. In sum, the report examines the Bush Administration?s actions in taking us to war from A to Z. The report finds there is substantial evidence the President, the Vice-President and other high ranking members of the Bush Administration misled Congress and the American people regarding the decision to go to war in Iraq; misstated and manipulated intelligence information regarding the justification for such war; countenanced torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment in Iraq; and permitted inappropriate retaliation against critics of their Administration.

The Report concludes that a number of these actions amount to prima facie evidence (evidence sufficiently strong to presume the allegations are true) that federal criminal laws have been violated. Legal violations span from false statements to Congress to whistleblower laws.

The Report also concludes that these charges clearly rise to the level of impeachable conduct. However, because the Administration has failed to respond to requests for information about these charges, it is not yet possible to conclude that an impeachment inquiry or articles of impeachment are warranted.

In response to the Report, I have already taken a number of actions. First, I have introduced a resolution (H. Res. 635) creating a Select Committee with subpoena authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration with regard to the Iraq war and report on possible impeachable offenses. In Watergate, for example, the Congress did not begin matters as an impeachment inquiry, but investigated matters - through the Ervin Committee - and referred impeachable evidence to the Judiciary Committee.

Second, I have introduced Resolutions regarding both President Bush (H. Res. 636) and Vice-President Cheney (H. Res. 637) proposing that they be censured by Congress based on the uncontroverted evidence already on the record and their failure to respond to Congressional and public inquiries about these matters and have never accounted for their many specific misstatements in the run up to War.

As you know, taking these steps means that I am likely to be criticized by the political and media establishments in Washington and attacked by the right wing noise machine. There is a school of thought among Washington political consultants that criticizing the President about Iraq will make Democrats appear to be weak on national security. There is a media establishment that marginalizes politicians for espousing beliefs held by the majority of Americans. The right wing noise machine in turn retaliates against the President’s critics.

Be that as it may, I just could not be silent any longer. The title of the report is exactly right: the Constitution is in Crisis. There are serious and well-substantiated allegations that the Executive Branch has usurped the sole power of the Congress to declare war by deceiving the Congress about the evidence for war. There are serious and well-substantiated allegations that the Executive Branch has deceived the American people to manufacture the people’s consent for war.

If you agree with me, I am going to need your help like never before. Please go to my website, www.johnconyers.com, where you will find an action center, including a copy of the Report via Raw Story, and ways you can help. Also visit www.censurebush.com to join with other activists who want to move this issue forward.

I still don't think it covers any underlying strategy. He doesn't explain why they would bother at all, but going after the lesser slap could allow coalition building. No repubs (well hardly any) would cross over if they were talking the big "i".

Conyers is a pretty sharp cookie. He might be keeping his powder dry and has longer term visions.
The Professor

a Grand Jury process, such as they managed to conjure up against Clinton, in order to be able to subpoena witnesses and perhaps obtain full discovery of relevant documents.

:think: :think: :think:

Apparently Mike isn't the only one who neads to breathe normally and f'ing read. See post 16.

for several years now and remember when he used to be somewhat cerebral till he got pissed off. He has been an important voice out there and has vented the anger that I sometimes feel. There is a place for anger, righteous anger. It will be anger that turns this nation around, not tiptoeing around to avoid hurting feelings.

BEFORE the election.....OMG.....he's not a happy camper today!lol

He's so mad I'm afraid I'd cry. :)

:hi:

:grr:

Makes perfect sense to me. I simply don't understand the hyperventilating.

Read it all here . . .
http://www.conyersblog.us/

he will change his tone if he gets ALL the info helderheid sent him. :)

"I have just completed a thorough review of this administration’s misconduct and have produced a 250-page report that provides evidence suggesting further steps to be taken."

http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=NONE&SEC={456ECCD5-4EAC-4C6D-8A17-89728B250AE2}

"Constitution in Crisis"
273 p. PDF report to download: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/5769

chapt 5: Recommendations

(snip) The House should establish a bipartisan select committee with subpeona authority to investigate the Bush Administration's abuses detailed in this report and report to the Committee on the Judiciary on possible impeachable offenses.


more at link

dp

... make it happen.

That said,

1. An honest-to-goodness congressional investigation would make the case for impeachment pretty well, and,

2. If you were really impatient, you'd do better to move to impeach on the high crimes and misdemeanors of WiretapGate. The President proudly admitted that he violated the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. No investigation necessary.

There's nobody for liberals to turn to on that list.

Begins to look like the San Diego mayoralty. Everytime they decided on one, he got indicted or sent to jail. I forget what number they're on now.

How come Denny's name hasn't come up with Abramoff? It's not like anyone suspects him of being an honest man.

:sarcasm:

:cheers:

idea. Censure. A select committee not under Sensebrenner's control. Then articles of impeachement just before the election when it matters.

Is this one of our DUers? She said she goes to meetups.

He just mentioned Will Pitt again! He loves Will Pitt!

Patty sort of sounds like Rachel Maddow. She mentioned Will.

:hi: :) :woohoo: :hi: :) :woohoo: :hi: :) :woohoo: :hi: :) :woohoo:

:yourock:

and be as comfortable with it as you seemed to be. You were GREAT! :toast::thumbsup:

Whenever I speak in a public forum of some kind, my self-awareness goes right out the window. I appreciate the feedback!

Mike says "Without f---ing dissent it ain't f---ing America."

Good job! Thanks for mentioning DU!

You know that out fellow DUer CatWoman is Mikes neighbor!
He lives here in GA (Atlanta)! I hope to meet him at at meetup. I missed meeting him at the meetup that I went to last year. :(

Just saw her last Wednesday, moderating a forum in NYC with Mark Crispin Miller, Bob Fitrakis, and other folks front and center on our broken elections.

to Mike as Conyer's censure is based on his work prior to the Felony revelation.

I am sure Mike will come to it logically in this programme.

he always comes out on top and he understands when reasoned logically.