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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:39 PM
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Goss asked Ankara to be ready for a possible US AIR OPERATION!!!!
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 06:01 PM by BEYOND TREASON
During his recent visit to Ankara, CIA Director Porter Goss reportedly brought three dossiers on Iran to Ankara. Goss is said to have asked for Turkey’s support for Washington’s policy against Iran’s nuclear activities, charging that Tehran had supported terrorism and taken part in activities against Turkey. Goss also asked Ankara to be ready for a possible US air operation against Iran and Syria. Goss, who came to Ankara just after FBI Director Robert Mueller’s visit, brought up Iran’s alleged attempts to develop nuclear weapons.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=89033

Dont know if this was posted on here or not.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:42 PM
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1. I guess execution of the master plan is on schedule. n/t
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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:44 PM
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3. More info on here
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:44 PM
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2. No wonder they don't care about Global Warming
Armageddon is planned before the 2008 elections.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:55 AM
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52. exactly. eom
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:45 PM
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4. bombs away!
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:45 PM
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5. That's CRAZY!
Airstrikes against Iran and Syria? Don't they realize that would pull the US into a full scale war in the Middle East and further strain ties with Russia and China?

This administration has got to go.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:09 PM
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7. The've been planning it for a long time. Notice all the sabre
rattling?

But I have seen other reports in recent months.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:11 PM
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8. Yes, they do realize that this is what could happen
this is their plan - to destabilize the ME and then the US.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:13 PM
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9. That's the perfect bumpersticker!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:32 PM
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34. They can do that at the same time
They're going to bankrupt us and leave us blowing in the wind while they're going to be dying.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:13 PM
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11. The answer to all questions that begin, Don't they realize...
Don't they realize that would pull the US into a full scale war in the Middle East and further strain ties with Russia and China?

Don't they realize...(fill in the blank)?

No, they don't. Like O'Lielly, they believe that if they say it, that makes it so. They, especially the boy king who never experienced responsibility for anything in his life, have no conception of consequences except for the theoretical ones that they make up themselves.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:17 PM
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13. You're right, it's as if they were infants...
if something isn't right in front of them then it doesn't exist.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:14 PM
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12. Yes, it's crazy. But it's always been the sinister PNAC plan
The neocons have no intention of leaving Iraq. They have always planned on launching more war from there, specifically against Iran. They don't care what impact this has on our nation. This is their ideology, which is more important to them than anything else.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:42 PM
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21. In other words.. YES, They realize.......
And the really sad thing is, they told us this is exactly what they'd planned to do
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:53 PM
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27. Well, yes they did tell us what they were going to do
But then they LIED about it bigtime, over and over and they're still doing it. WMD, connection with 9/11, Saddam can hit New York with nukes any minute, mission accomplished, terra, freedom for Iraqis, victory, everything's going great, lie lie lie.

If you really want to know what they're up to, just go back to the PNAC white paper, which I believe was published in 1998. It's just that simple. All the rest is bullshit.

We have just got to retake control of Congress next year.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:23 PM
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29. With all of this PNAC talk, I wonder what Paul Wolfowitz is doing...
He's such an "under the radar" little weazel. Attacking Iraq and PNAC were his little babies. I can just see him now wallowing in self satisfaction, chomping at the bit for the next step...the bombing of Iran.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:34 PM
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35. He's at the world bank remember
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 07:35 PM by FreedomAngel82
and they put him there for the purpose to reward countries that help them with money and break the other countries like Iraq, Iran etc. so they can control them so they can make money. It's about control and being very rich.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:41 PM
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40. That's right, they put him in charge of the money, how nice of them...
"It's about control and being very rich." You're right, and amazingly, those are two things I could really really really care less about. Perhaps that's the reason why I'm not personally screwing up the world in a collosal fashion.

Wolfowitz...he's like "Newman", but with power.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:37 PM
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38. wolfowitz will be making the terms for our bankruptcy
When the World Bank forecloses on us. Gotta make sure the right people get the right spoils you know. I wonder what they're going to do with the Grand Canyon. Theme park? Land fill?

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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:44 PM
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42. Or they could use the grand canyon as a mass grave site...
gotta put all of those people who opposed you and suddenly "died of the bird flu" (wink, wink) somewhere right?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:02 PM
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47. Actually, They told us they would lie!
(Leo Strauss considered it necessary and acceptable - "The end justifies the Means")
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:42 PM
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20. They WANT to incite a third world war.
Honestly, they do. Yes, they are fucking mad!!!

That's why I feel very anxious about getting out the indictments, quickly, before they go forward and throw our country into a ruinous situation. The rest of the world isn't going to stand by and allow a global fascist rule by the U.S. corporacrats.
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:52 PM
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25. i don't think they necessarily want ww3, but they will go to war to
better their economic interests.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:47 PM
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44. They wouldn't care
More chaos would benefit them. Remember as long as there is chaos they can do their agenda.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:25 PM
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30. Wouldn't the US need allies to make it a world war?
It would be the US and Israel against most of the middle east with Saudi Arabia kicking back and profiting.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:29 PM
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32. They would need allies to survive their world war.
But, apparently, they're willing to go it alone 'cause they firmly believe our superior military bombs 'n stuff will make us "victorious". x( Remember, they also believe they can make what they think (whether delusional or otherwise) real. They're lunatics.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:36 PM
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36. Sure, the US would go it alone, but you see now * has his baby nukes...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/10/AR2005091001053.html

Pentagon Revises Nuclear Strike Plan
Strategy Includes Preemptive Use Against Banned Weapons

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, September 11, 2005; Page A01

The Pentagon has drafted a revised doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons that envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to use them to preempt an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction. The draft also includes the option of using nuclear arms to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

-snip-

SEE? The US will be fine...Iran on the other hand would glow from space.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:39 PM
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39. And Russia and China and possibly others would be compelled,....
,...to stop an out-of-control "super power". x(
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:48 PM
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45. That just sent shivers down my spine...
Both the wars the US fought with China were lost, Vietnam and Korea. The US doesn't even need China's help to lose in Iraq, but with their presence, the whole fiasco would surely be doomed.
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schrodingers_cat Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:12 PM
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50. You hit the nail on the head, Just Me
It would seem the inevitable outcome to me as well. One has oil reserves, one wants more oil. And that's the crux of this illegal war,oil, is it not? Countries will scramble to 'pre-emotively' cover thier interest in this arena against a rogue superpower. Although all China would have to do would be to call in it's debt. that could take us down with no shots fired.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:09 PM
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62. You are right
The Chinese can destroy the United States simply by cashing in the chips they hold. And in the long run this might be the best thing that could happen. The neocon cabal would be forever discredited and we could start to build a new and sustainable nation that has a decent respect for the opinions of mankind.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:55 PM
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65. I like your outlook ...... but .......
the Neo-Cons don't play fair when it comes to Poker. Or anthing else. And unfortunately they hold an Ace in the hole. Military Budget. See this link...... http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/001221.php ..... are they mad enough to take on the rest of the world? Let's hope not for everyones sake. Peace.
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wildcat78 Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:58 PM
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46. Caesar in 60 BC
In 60 BC, tribes from the ME were hacking away at Rome's eastern frontier. What did Caesar do? He sent Ptomeley (sp?) the great and the Roman armada off the coast of Syria. Ptolomey then ransacked Syria, up into Armenia and down into Persia (modern day Iraq) straight to the Persian Gulf.

Maybe Bush thinks he is Caesar.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:59 AM
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59. You mean start
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:03 PM
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61. The PNACers and neo-cons are bent on world conquest
Just read their own damned documents. They are hell bent on coming as close to WWIII as possible if that's what is necessary to control Middle East oil and secure Israel.

They have a grievous failure to appreciate what has happened to prior tyrants who tried to take over the world - things never end well. A Chinese/Russian mushroom cloud over several American cities is a distinct possibility if this gang of thugs remains in power. And that will be the best thing for the world, sad to say.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:09 PM
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63. I keep saying that this admin in particular and the republicans
in general have not been acting as if they expect to ever be held accountable or even expect to be out of power again....

Not tin-foil just conclusions drawn through examination of the obvious.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:08 PM
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6. K and R
and bookmarked, want to keep up with this.I did hear last week that
Iran was holding war games. Their pres. seems to be losing it also,
Just what we need two unstable prez. going to war.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:13 PM
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10. Anyone paying attention could see this coming a mile away.
Iranian Oil Bourse going online in March 2006. Bush wants more than a 3 month Patriot Act extension to further curtail descent here at home against another illegal war. Cause if it expires in 3 months ... his ass ain't covered beyond that if and when he attacks Iran/Syria. The permanent military bases probably about completed in Iraq by now. Bolton busy gutting the U.N. on and on and on (PNAC). Just the volume to turn up the propaganda war drums to attack another sovereign nation is all that probably needs to happen now. Peace and Impeach. :)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:38 PM
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16. Interesting
I've heard this more than once before. Is the Bourse that much of a threat and why?

Is this an anti-EU thing?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:53 PM
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26. See NothingWithoutHopes .... post #19 in this thread down there.....
on the oil bourse, and also Google Seymour Hersh & Scott Ritter on the subject of attacking Iran. They've kept pretty up to date on this possible time line in published articles the last year or so. Peace, never give up never surrender. :)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:43 PM
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41. Thanks, very interesting article
He certainly pulls no punches.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:57 PM
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49. Your quite welcome.....
I once thought another little country just above Iran called "Azerbaijan" may have been a staging ground for some assault on Iran. But in the last month or so a supposed 'coup' attempt against their government seems to have failed, and the Iranian President has been cozying up to the powers that be up there. So maybe the Bush administration has other contingency plans going on? All conjecture but the geo-political forces have been busy as usual. Peace. :)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:21 AM
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57. It's an anti-not-pro-US thing
Anyone who does not have US interests at heart is an enemy of the US, according to neocon logic.
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:24 PM
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14. I would expect an aerial attack to be done without first going to Congress
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 06:43 PM by Raydawg1234
or the U.N.. Since the Pres. feels it is in his powers to bypass those institutions.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:36 PM
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15. that would get him tossed out.
he would have to get this past the congress somehow -- now he's got a republican congress and senate --
and he might be able to do it -- but it wouldn't be secretly.
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:40 PM
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18. He'll say the post 9/11 Afghanistan resolution authorized it,
that is the doctrine he's been pushing.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:02 PM
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28. i don't think he can do that now
because that hang out the repuke congress and senate.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:39 PM
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17. Nice Freudian slip, there
"Ariel attack". Just about sums it up, too!
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:42 PM
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22. just a coincedence, spelling mistake.
had to look it up in the dictionary.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:44 PM
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23. I was wondering that too. Doesn't Congress have to declare war?
Not that that stopped BushCo the last time, but it seems like there is enough question in the eyes of the people about why we went to war that he wouldn't try that again.

And that is worrisome: I'm afraid that he will pull another "attack" on American soil like a 9/11 or an attack on our troops in Iraq to justify attacking Iran and Syria. This is all very distressing and I just don't know much about how this works.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:44 PM
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43. This won't be a war
it's just bombing, no ground troops involved.
Also the Iraq War Resolution doesn't restrict him to Iraq, it authorizes military operations anywhere.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:42 PM
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19. Yes, they will attack Iran without Congress' permission and with the
active cooperation of Israel, who has wanted this for a long time along with the PNAC.

It's based on lies - the best intelligence is that Iran is many years away from being able to build nuclear bombs:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1983449&mesg_id=1984089

Fact is, Iran's oil bourse, likely based on the Euro, is set to open in Spring, and the Bushies don't want that, now do they?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8354.htm

The Iranian Threat: The Bomb or the Euro?


By Dr. Elias Akleh

03/24/05 "AMIN" - - Iran does not pose a threat to the United State because of its nuclear projects, its WMD, or its support to "terrorists organizations" as the American administration is claiming, but in its attempt to re-shape the global economical system by converting it from a petrodollar to a petroeuro system. Such conversion is looked upon as a flagrant declaration of economical war against the US that would flatten the revenues of the American corporations and eventually might cause an economic collapse.

In June of 2004 Iran declared its intention of setting up an international oil exchange (a bourse) denominated in the Euro currency. Many oil-producing as well as oil-consuming countries had expressed their welcome to such petroeuro bourse. The Iranian reports had stated that this bourse may start its trade with the beginning of 2006. Naturally such an oil bourse would compete against London’s International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), as well as against the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX), both owned by American corporations.

Oil consuming countries have no choice but use the American Dollar to purchase their oil, since the Dollar has been so far the global standard monetary fund for oil exchange. This necessitates these countries to keep the Dollar in their central banks as their reserve fund, thus strengthening the American economy. But if Iran — followed by the other oil-producing countries — offered to accept the Euro as another choice for oil exchange the American economy would suffer a real crisis. We could witness this crisis at the end of 2005 and beginning of 2006 when oil investors would have the choice to pay $57 a barrel of oil at the American (NYMEX) and at London’s (IPE), or pay 37 Euros a barrel at the Iranian oil bourse. Such choice would reduce trade volumes at both the Dollar-dependent (NYMEX) and the (IPE).

(snip)

In its economical war Iran is treading the same path Saddam Hussein had started when he, in 2000, converted all his reserve from the Dollar to the Euro, and demanded payments in Euro for Iraqi oil. Many economists then mocked Saddam because he had lost a lot of money in this conversion. Yet they were very surprised when he recuperated his losses within less than a year period due to the valuation of the Euro. The American administration became aware of the threat when central banks of many countries started keeping Euros along side of Dollars as their monetary reserve and as an exchange fund for oil (Russian and Chinese central banks in 2003). To avoid economical collapse the Bush administration hastened to invade and to destroy Iraq under false excuses to make it an example to any country who may contemplate dropping the Dollar, and to manipulate OPEC’s decisions by controlling the second largest oil resource. Iraqi oil sale was reverted back to the petrodollar standard.

(snip)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:56 AM
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60. *kick*
:kick:
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:19 PM
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67. this subject needs to have its own thread
nm
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:49 PM
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24. A translation:
From the article: Cicek stated, “At many meetings that I took part in, especially on the fight against terrorism, the issue that many countries emphasize is that sharing intelligence on terrorist groups is the first step. This issue has priority. Therefore, Turkey shares information on intelligence with the US as well as other countries. This is natural.”

My translation: "As you know, all terrorist groups are controlled by one intelligence organization or another so we share intelligence on these groups to be sure we coordinate our strategies and propaganda. This is natural."
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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:26 PM
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31. Im really angry
Nobody from the public point of view wants this war...which looks taking place in about 3 or 4 months time!! yet it seems theres nothing anyone can do to stop it from going ahead! What we can do for the time being is keep this thread kicked and recommend it....and make many people as aware as possible.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:31 PM
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33. Oh wow
And wasn't Dennis Hasert under investigation for working with the Turkish people to protect some group? I remember someone posted an article about that from Vanity Fair with Sibel Edmonds talking about it.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:36 PM
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37. I forgot all about that.
x(
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:15 PM
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48. K & R. My prediction for the airstrike: March 2006.
No brainer really. That's when Iran starts pricing their oil in euros instead of $.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:45 AM
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51. Kick - we must make this more visible - people have forgotten how
the Bush Administration and their Israeli allies plan to attack Iran.

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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:24 AM
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53. I totally agree with you!
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 05:18 AM by BEYOND TREASON
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:27 AM
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54. Why on earth did I quit smoking?
I went through all of that and Armageddon is just around the corner. :-(
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:46 AM
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55. What are the gas bills going to be like in nuclear winter?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:08 AM
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56. *** IMPORTANT RELATED THREAD: ***
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5650736
thread title (12/20 GD): I may not be the world's most brilliant strategist, but I can read a map
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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:40 AM
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58. Thanks for the link
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:39 PM
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64. kick - we CAN'T forget this n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:00 PM
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66. kick to keep this visible n/t
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