NOTE TO REPORTERS: Do the math! Domestic Spying + ???? = Stolen Election

:nuke:

That was about the election, not the war.

And we know Rove has always done this; it is his one trick pony.

Geez. x(

this is why we have the checks and balances, so we don't end up in a situation of plausible deniability

Bush can claim it was to protect and we can claim anything else and it can never be proven either way.

it is a sad sad day when America got a king.

...wasn't the Watergate break-in necessary to protect us from McGovern winning?

Seems getting the courts to approve a wiretap is as easy as feeding steak to your dog, why would they neglect to gain court approval? Illegal wiretapping can be most advantageous while campaigning, or listening in on anti-war patriots eh.

Tinfoil hat?

Tin foil hat = straying outside of the 'official story'

The official explanation for the mysterious results of 2004 is : "people hate faggots"

And any other explanation is tin foil hat.

Question everything.

Tin foil is a slur. Code for crazy and paranoid.

They sat there and called us dissidents and internet conspiracy theorists and all the while, we were right. The only thing we didn't know was just how dirty our press was.

Man, that's a really sad thing to know.

...anytime we mention election fraud, there are people ready to make that idiotic tinfoil crack, and if it isn't a deliberate attempt to suppress the truth, it's about Dems who've sadly been influenced by the Luntz spin machine.

:)

On edit: Last year we were fighting two huge forces. The strength of the conspirators, yes, conspirators that subverted our election AND the denial of a lot of people for whom even considering election fraud was too painful.

We did a lot this year. We've made huge inroads. This isn't going away anytime soon.

:toast:

It's an effective tool. Whenever anyone says "tinfoil", I think we should question their motive.

as early as 11/3/2004.

I've come to understand that it's code for, "You're right and we're going to make you back down."

Especially when it is levelled against election reform activists -- with all we've had to handle this year -- check it out: being slandered in the press, being discounted BY OUR OWN PEOPLE who didn't bother to look, being locked out in Ohio after spending an arm and a leg making that recount happen, having our activists harrassed, even hounded.

And, *WE* have a problem? :shrug:

I don't think so.

If we were delusional, Ken Blackwell would have laughed and let OH be recounted. I notice, that didn't happen.

We were right, are still right, and every day, our peeps are getting it.

Beth

I can't see that either!

:toast:

you. For example, when the Pope passed away, there were a lot of Pope threads that did not interest me. Hiding them got them off my list view.

Everyone should know how to put 2 and 2 together.

Leave no citizen behind.

Is it denial... or innumeracy?

Whereas an election is a competition for the privilege of representing the people; and

Whereas each voter is entitled to cast a single ballot to record his or her preferences for representation; and

Whereas the records of individual votes are the basis for counting and potentially re-counting a collective total and declaring a winner; and

Whereas an election's outcome is a matter of public record, based on a finite collection of immutable smaller records; and

Whereas a properly functioning election system should produce unanimous agreement about the results indicated by a fixed set of unchanging records; and

Whereas recent U.S. federal elections have been conducted under conditions that have not produced unanimous agreement about the outcome; and

Whereas future U.S. federal elections cannot possibly produce unanimous agreement as long as any condition permits an inconclusive count or re-count of votes; and

Whereas inconclusive counts and re-counts have occurred during recent U.S. federal elections due in part to electronic voting devices that do not produce a paper record of votes to be re -counted if necessary; and

Whereas inconclusive results have also been caused by election machines losing data, producing negative vote totals, showing more votes than there are registered voters, and persistently and automatically swapping a voter's vote from his or her chosen candidate to an opponent; and

Whereas inconclusive results make it impossible to measure the will of the people in their preferences for representation; and

Whereas the Declaration of Independence refers to the Consent of the Governed as the self-evident truth from which Government derives "just Power";

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:

Because inconclusive results, by definition, mean that the true outcome of an election cannot be known, there is no basis for confidence in the results reported from U.S. federal elections; and

Be it also resolved:

The following is a comprehensive election reform platform likely to ensure conclusive election results and create a basis for confidence in U.S. federal elections:

1) voting processes owned and operated entirely in the public domain, and
2) clean money laws to keep all corporate funds out of campaign financing, and
3) a voter verified paper ballot for every vote cast and additional uniform standards determined by a non-partisan nationally recognized commission, and
4) declaring election day a national holiday, and
5) counting all votes publicly and locally in the presence of citizen witnesses and credentialed members of the media, and
6) equal time provisions to be restored by the media along with a measurable increase in local, public control of the airwaves, and
7) presidential debates containing a minimum of three candidates, run by a non-partisan commission comprised of representatives of publicly owned media outlets, and
8) preferential voting and proportional representation to replace the winner-take-all system for federal elections;

Be it further resolved:

When elections are conducted under conditions that prevent conclusive outcomes, the Consent of the Governed is not being sought. Absent this self-evident source of legitimacy, such Consent is not to be assumed or taken for granted.

http://guvwurld.blogspot.com/2005/04/voter-confidence-resolution.html