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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:00 AM
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Censure and Impeachment
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 10:01 AM by goodhue
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=4380

Censure and Impeachment

By David Swanson

December 21, 2005

Censure is not the enemy of impeachment, any more than impeaching Bush prevents impeaching Cheney. We have a tendency to jump five steps ahead of ourselves in order to find imaginary problems.

Let me explain.

Congressman John Conyers has introduced a bill to censure Bush, another to censure Cheney, and a third to create a select committee to investigate and make recommendations on grounds for possible impeachment. The reaction I'm hearing seems to be three-quarters enthusiasm and one-quarter concern that censuring Bush and Cheney will hurt the chances of impeaching them.

I don't think that concern is well placed. The purpose of each of these three bills at this point is to raise the issue, keep the Bush Administration's lies and crimes in the news, and allow the Democrats to show some spine by signing on.

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=4380
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:04 AM
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1. Yes, groundwork is necessary n/t
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:05 AM
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2. Very good way explaining it clearly - thanx for making it simple


K&R
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:19 AM
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3. Let's hold the criminals accountable.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=4380

If we succeed in censuring Bush and/or Cheney, impeachment is next. The one does not cancel the other. The public will not allow it to. Public support for impeachment is much higher than it ever was for impeaching Clinton, and so is support for removing Bush and Cheney from office. (http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/polling) Censure will not satisfy those demands. It will, however, help move Congress and the media in the direction of listening to the public demand for accountability.


And Congress has a long, long way to go. Not a single member of the House has introduced articles of impeachment. Only one has said he would sign onto them if someone else introduced them (John Lewis, just yesterday). Asking Congress Members to sign onto censure and, more importantly, a bill to create a fact-finding committee to investigate possible impeachable offenses, helps them take a significant step toward where the public is.


In fact, this point is well argued in the Executive Summary of the report released today by Congressman Conyers. Here is the key section:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/5775


Let's hold the criminals accountable. Join us at: http://www.censurebush.org
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:59 PM
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4. !
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:06 AM
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12. !
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:15 PM
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5. Censure would also give us the time to gain more seats and thereby have a
greater chance of having the impeachment passed!

Excellent post - thank you for the information!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:23 PM
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7. agreed! - I think I am the only one who has nominated this....
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 02:24 PM by stop the bleeding
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:43 PM
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8. Nope! Now there's two of us! (n/t)
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:49 PM
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9. I can't nominate my own post
Otherwise there would be three
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:50 PM
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10. I can kick it again
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:50 PM
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11. Thanks
Alas doesn't appear to have helped much
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:17 PM
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6. I see an impeachment coming!
Yea!
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