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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:30 PM
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Are We a Nation of Laws, or Aren't We? Bush Broke the Law! IMPEACH!!!!!
Until this NSA flap, I thought impeachment was overreaching. That's over with now.

Bush knowingly and willingly broke the law.

He knew it when he said the government couldn't do it on April 20th 2004.

He knew it when he reauthorized the thing 30 times (!!!).

He knew it when he begged the New York Times editors not to run the story last week.

He knew it when he admitted having done it to reporters this week.

The time for handwringing and excuse-making is over.

IMPEACH!!!
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:32 PM
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1. He didn't just admit it. He bragged about it and promised to keep doing it
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:35 PM
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4. Exactly. He has gone too far.
He must be out of his mind to do what he did, and think that somehow he could just wrap it in a bow of "National Security" and expect it to fly.

Not having it. Uhn-uh.

It's time to hold all Republicans accountable for the behavior of their President.

Make them defend him or support Impeachment already. Let's hang this around their necks in '06.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:34 PM
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2. IMPEACH!
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Shalomar Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:38 PM
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12. Let his house be Desolate
I believe we shouls "stay the course" in Iraq. Even something started with evil intent can be turned to the good. But let his house be desolate; and let the Postmaster General take his place.

Check out my thread; "Secret Service 9/11 coverup".

It may yet come out that Bush had specific foreknoweledge.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:43 PM
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16. I would be shocked if he didn't.
But that fight is for another day.

We have a nationally televised confession to 30 impeachable offenses right now.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:35 PM
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3. You don't wait til the next election to defend the constitution : IMPEACH
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:05 PM
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23. No, you really don't.
All we have to do is get people everywhere to ask Republicans, "Do you believe in the rule of law? Then how come you aren't impeaching President Bush for violating the rights of Americans?"

We will shame them into Impeachment.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:07 PM
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24. EXACTLY!!! Defending the constitution is an oath taken by all,...
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 01:07 PM by Just Me
,...representatives and appointees. They have a DUTY to defend against those acting in violation of our Constitution and laws.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:35 PM
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5. no, we're a society of OWNERSHIP
didn't you get the memo? That means people who OWN the most get to do what they want. I suppose this includes making up their own personal laws.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:37 PM
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7. Not yet, we aren't.
They're going to have to circulate that memo to 300 million Americans.

I have a feeling they may have something to say about it.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:47 PM
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20. those 300 million are the OWNED
Only the top 1% counts in this new system. I think the memo covered that in very very fine print.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:22 PM
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29. The criminals in charge do serve only the interests of 1%.
They are still criminals and must be held to the rule of law.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:36 PM
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6. I'm affraid we are a country of corporations.
I'm pretty sad. So have this. Calendar of the day.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:44 PM
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17. We may be, but we can deprive them of their favorite henchman.
Let's make this one stick.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:48 PM
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28. .
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 01:49 PM by Just Me
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:37 PM
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8. I thought we were. We used to be. n.t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:37 PM
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10. We better be by the time this is over.
If he doesn't go down for this, America is finished.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:37 PM
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9. He should be impeached
and jailed. The punishment is five years and I believe some good sum of money too. They can get Clinton for lying about a personal affair but not Bush for spying on AMERICANS?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:38 PM
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13. Exactly.
Either Republicans support impeachment, or they support spying on innocent Americans.

Let's make them campaign against that next year.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:36 PM
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45. GREAT LINE!
Bush is always giving us false black-and-white choices, like total defeat or total victory in Iraq, as if those are the only two outcomes that could occur. The funny thing is, this actually is a black-and-white issue!

If you don't support impeachment, you are supporting illegal spying on Americans. I love it!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:37 PM
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11. WE ARE NOT A DICTATORSHIP!!!!
Impeach and indict the dictatorial members of the BushCO/neoconster regime. They have committed a federal CRIME, at least 36 times!!! BUSH EVEN CONFESSED ON A NATIONAL BROADCAST!!!

IMPEACH!! INDICT, CONVICT, IMPRISON!!!
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:39 PM
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15. That's what I'm talking about!!!
It's time to hold this clown accountable, and everyone who supported him.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:51 PM
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21. K&R in defense of democracy and the rule of law!!! n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:53 PM
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22. Thanks! n/t
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:39 PM
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14. Defend Democracy. Remember the Spirit of '76. Impeach. n/t
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:44 PM
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18. NOT JUST IMPEACH!
Try, convict, remove from office...and then charge him with the crime in a Court.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:46 PM
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19. Amen.
Make him pay for his crimes. This will just be the start.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:10 PM
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25. Impeach Cheney first
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:11 PM
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26. LOL.
It would be nice if we could drag this out until Pelosi is House Speaker, wouldn't it?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:28 PM
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27. Indict them all!!! They ALL approve of the illegal practice.
They are co-conspirators in committing a federal crime (on numerous occasions) and violating the U.S. Constitution!!!
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:37 PM
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30. i got a bad feeling about this one
if it doesnt happen soon

and quite spectacularly

the world is going to see that america WILL stand for this sort of thing

they've managed to convince most it seems its for their own good too

shame on the blind
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:02 AM
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31. Yeah, it's pretty sad.
That's why it's important to make as much noise about it as possible.
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:28 AM
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32. RULE OF LAW! RULE OF LAW! RULE OF LAW!
Which party rammed that saying down our throats during the Clinton impeachment hearings and the 2000 Presidential election cliffhanger?

The Republicans!

Hoist these bastards by their own petards.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:16 AM
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33. Agreed.
And Clinton was cornered in a perjury trap. This President did this to himself, knowingly and with full cognizance of its consequences.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:03 AM
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34. Impeach or be stuck with him forever!
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:29 AM
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35. Exactly! Why is it different than just calling off the election?
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 11:30 AM by info being
If they ignore the rule of law, what law do they obey?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:34 AM
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36. Impeachment is a political process, it is not a judicial process.
That much is clear since 1998.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:36 AM
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37. I understand that.
But waiting for the majority won't help Dems politically or otherwise. They need to start demanding impeachment today if they want it tomorrow.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:38 AM
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38. IMO, I don't mind if non-leadership does.
I'm not sold (politically, mind you) that it is best for the Democratic Party leadership to be calling for it at THIS point. I'm keeping an open mind though.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:47 AM
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40. It will look better later if they do something about it now though.
Waiting until it's politically viable to do the right thing has worked poorly for the Democratic Party for the last few years, in my opinion.

They certainly sent mixed messages on Iraq. They need to start getting it right the first time.

That means calling this out for the impeachable outrage that it is.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:56 AM
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41. The leadership should rail about the spying issue...talk about it
in the most serious of tones. Call it lawbreaking, unconstitutional, etc.

I would stop it short of using the term impeachment. I know that to many that makes me seem weak. I'm not. I just think that impeachment automatically shifts the tone of the discussion from one of lawbreaking (on which we can take the moral high ground) to one of partisanship, in which case everyone is perceived as rolling around in the mud.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:13 PM
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42. I don't think you're weak.
I've seen enough of your posts to know better. I have a great deal of respect for your opinion, despite disagreeing with it on more than a few occasions.

Perhaps the word "impeachable" would be better? I want people to know the seriousness of it.

Words like "criminal" and "impeachable" seem more in the realm of what I want to hear.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:23 PM
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44. That might work.
As the year goes, the Abramoff scandal is going to get bigger and bigger play. I would wait to see how that breaks (a Republican scandal or a Washington scandal), and decide then. Of course, by then we will be heavy into the election cycle, and I think it would be a mistake to try an impeachment starting in the fall. If this were December 2004, my feelings might be different.

Thank you for the compliments on my opinions. I have noted and respected yours as well.

Happy Holidays!
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:47 AM
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39. I'm with you on this one...
...tasteblind. This is the pattern of this administration. The NSA wiretap story demonstrates it LOUDLY! :patriot:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:19 PM
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43. Thanks.
The law is just something these people are constantly trying to get around.

Imagine being on trial and saying, "My lawyer showed me a rationale by which it was not illegal."
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:46 PM
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46. "My lawyer showed me a rationale...
...by which it was not illegal." :7 But I'm pretty sure bush doesn't know big words like 'rationale'.:patriot:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:57 PM
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47. Seriously...
...besides 'getting around the law' as a pattern of this administration, the larger problem is their CHOICE of laws to evade and the consequences for our country. They are evading the Constitution, which bush swore to uphold, and they are evading the Geneva Convention's rules against torture which goes against everything this country has stood for. As a consequence, the rest of the world no longer sees us as a positive force to lead the world into the future. That is a huge loss!:cry:
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