How many here believe we're experiencing all out class warfare?

They just cut billions for medicare, tuition programs, and other programs designed to help those who need it most. Yet, they can't seem to find (and don't seem to care) about the billions lost by Halliburton?

agents of our corporate overlords. They don't put even the slightest windowdressing on their actions anymore.

Yes, it's all out class warfare now.

Assault on the poor and middle class? Sure. But not warfare, because no one's fighting back. Yet.

They don't identify as a class, though, with other workers who aren't a part of the transit union, and that's what will be required for "class warfare."

As long as there's a little extra money to buy a new pair of Pumas and to pay the cable subscription, there'll be no class warfare. Sadly, that's one of the results of the New Deal and WWII: consumerism.

Come to think of it, today one could say that "Consumerism is the opiate of the masses."

Rob from the poor and middle class to give to the rich, then find as many ignorant fucks as you can and convince them that this is good for them. Hey it's "trickle down", Corporations like nothing better than to share the wealth with the people who do all the actual work :eyes:

Some of the most ardent Democratics are the intellectual -- and economic -- elite.

I don't see much return fire yet.

clue about the cuts that were made or the perks given to the wealthy. Thank our media........................

Those of us who rely on Medicare, tuition programs and other programs designed to help those who need it most need an army to protect us.

You'd think all those faith based charities could spare a dime to fight for the rights of the least among us.

are conveniently (for the masters, that is) overseas at the moment.

Coincidence?

It's so sad and painful to watch, especially since it's so egregious now
and the poor people of NOLA are so visible.

It's too bad the media doesn't cover this problem the way it should be
covered.

Sue

if you point this out the rethugs will say "you are trying to turn these policies into a class warefair issue". An people buy this shallow arguement. Calling a spot a spot is wrong in America these days.

it has been in the planning for a long time. I have a friend who was a die hard Bush fan who is swearing at him everyday now. The Republican congresspeople are going to have to face reality. Their problem is they have no hearts and souls. They sold their souls long ago and do not seem to care. I see depression time coming soon to a neighborhood near you, if not your own neighborhood.

it's exactly the right word.
We're just supposed to work hard and someday we'll all be Bill Gates. Well, not all of us. The lazy won't. You know the type.
:sarcasm:Sarcasm over...
Where's a Democratic populist when you need one? Time for a new New Deal. It seems to me the votes are there. I guess it's the money for the big 'media buys' that the mainstream Dems worry about.

That ideology IS class warfare.

and now there is just a vague feeling of unease for the future.

I have grandchildren and I fear for them.

There are plenty of "economically disadvanted" people who rabidly support this administration. There are also people who make a decent wage who aren't siding with the "upper class" even though they stand to gain from Bush's decisions.

There are a lot of issues tied up in this...fear being the driving force (IMO). Presenting it as a class issue won't help, though. The people on the lower end of the scale (who are the people with the numbers...the ones we need to convince) will dismiss that reasoning out of hand simply because they're NOT members of the upper class.

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think the "class warfare" angle will fly.

The wealthy and the corporations are grabbing as much money as they can get their hands on, while nobody is guarding the chicken coop.

are borrowing from Peter to pay Paul every month, with no bankruptcy safety net, our social security threatened...jeez, the list is endless! :grr:

But the real kicker is that most of the democrats in office are in on it too! :puke:

Which means we'll have until the end of January to get the word out on this immoral bill.

only a war if both sides fight. Right now the middle class and poor have no weapons and are getting creamed. But that can change pretty quickly. Ask the French.

The last two generations have just gotten lazy and spoiled because the New Deal and the union movement blunted the worst of it for them. They were told that the safeguards were no longer necessary, and were actually a burden.

It's kind of like a group of thieves came up to them and told them "think how much richer you would be if you didn't have to keep paying for those police officers, and those locks on your windows, and food for that lazy watchdog of yours". And sure enough, after a couple of generations of successfully keeping the crooks at bay, people started believing that schtick. And they abandoned the watchdog, and fired the cops, and held rallies over how they weren't going to worry about the crooks anymore. In fact, the crooks were their friends : they'd taught them how to get rich by eliminating all those wasteful "security services". And then, all of a sudden, they come home one day and their house is ransacked, and their belongings taken, and they wonder how those great theories taught to them by the crooks could've suddenly failed them. After all, it was so simple the way their salesmen had explained it. What could've gone wrong?

That, my friends, is what's really going on here. Most people still haven't realized that they're being robbed blind yet, and some of them probably won't ever realize it.


MDN

They've been cutting social programs deeply for the past 25 years, since Reagan. I recall people saying they had cut "down to the bone" at least 10 or 15 years ago. Nevertheless the war on the poor continued.

It's not just the cuts but also the prospects of compensating for the cuts in other ways. Even for those young and healthy enough to work, those prospects continue to evaporate as more and more jobs are moved offshore to slave labor markets, pressuring wages downward everywhere (except in the gold-plated board rooms).

So I see it as a two-pronged war: Kill the services and simultaneously kill a lot of opportunities for their victims to replace those services.

Revolutions, like wars, usually don't spring up overnight.