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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:57 AM
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New York Police Are Disguising Themselves as Protesters
From a New York Times article by Jim Dwyer:


Undercover New York City police officers have conducted covert surveillance in the last 16 months of people protesting the Iraq war, bicycle riders taking part in mass rallies and even mourners at a street vigil for a cyclist killed in an accident, a series of videotapes show.

In glimpses and in glaring detail, the videotape images reveal the robust presence of disguised officers or others working with them at seven public gatherings since August 2004.

The officers hoist protest signs. They hold flowers with mourners. They ride in bicycle events. At the vigil for the cyclist, an officer in biking gear wore a button that said, "I am a shameless agitator." She also carried a camera and videotaped the roughly 15 people present.


They are also acting as agent provocateurs:

Beyond collecting information, some of the undercover officers or their associates are seen on the tape having influence on events. At a demonstration last year during the Republican National Convention, the sham arrest of a man secretly working with the police led to a bruising confrontation between officers in riot gear and bystanders.


No oversight, anymore:

In New York, the administration of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg persuaded a federal judge in 2003 to enlarge the Police Department's authority to conduct investigations of political, social and religious groups. "We live in a more dangerous, constantly changing world," Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said.

Before then, very few political organizations or activities were secretly investigated by the Police Department, the result of a 1971 class-action lawsuit that charged the city with abuses in surveillance during the 1960's. Now the standard for opening inquiries into political activity has been relaxed, full authority to begin surveillance has been restored to the police and federal courts no longer require a special panel to oversee the tactics.


The fact that we live in a "dangerous, constantly changing world" doesn't mean that police in disguise at protest marches make the world less dangerous or more slowly changing.

Decent citizens engaged in First Amendment activities, are made to feel like criminals:

To date, officials say no one has complained of personal damage from the information collected over recent months, but participants in the protests, rallies and other gatherings say the police have been a disruptive presence.

Ryan Kuonen, 32, who took part in a "ride of silence" in memory of a dead cyclist, said that two undercover officers - one with a camera - subverted the event. "They were just in your face," she said. "It made what was a really solemn event into something that seemed wrong. It made you feel like you were a criminal. It was grotesque."


There are problems with police disguising themselves as protesters. One is that there is no accountability for police brutality by police who aren't wearing badges. Another is that the message of the undercover police isn't the message of the organizers.

It should be illegal for a police officer to attend a protest, unless dressed in a police uniform with a badge number plainly visible.

There is a video at the "Current TV" website titled "Made in the USA" which includes a police officer disguised as a protester. Please vote for it to be shown on TV (even if you don't get the "Current TV" channel.)



Also posted at www.speakspeak.org]
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:06 AM
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1. I'll recommend this.
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 04:08 AM by Hissyspit
Here at 4 in the morning EST.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:06 AM
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4. Thanks. Recommendations appreciated.
nt
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:11 AM
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2. Well, police can attend peace protests off duty.
And filming public events is fine, even on duty. The question is what they are actually doing. Disrupting funeral processions, or putting a lot of resources into monitoring churches and peace protesters is just a huge waste of time, and certainly immoral. Its a lie if the officer is misrepresnting themselves, or acting to disrupt 1st ammendment rights, especially!
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Poet Lariat Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:20 AM
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3. Thanks EJ in Mn..........K/R
...the walls have ears these days. Sad place that we've gotten to.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 06:27 AM
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5. Trolls. nt.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 06:32 AM
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6. Once again, NYPD is standing on a brick to kick a duck in the ass. . .
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 06:32 AM by DinahMoeHum
Pathetic.

:evilfrown:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:37 AM
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7. I don't blame NYPD. I blame Bloomberg.
During the catatonic elections in NYC, I kept reminding people of the RNC convention days - and the line was: "He only did it for the money" (how sweet). I am not surprised to see that he put more GOP enthusiasm in it than previously credited. Of course NYT at the time did a harriet Myers cheer saying he was "the bestest mayor - ever!"
Again. most cops along the protests route were supportive of us.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:40 AM
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8. Don't the police have better things to do?
like looking for real terrorists?

Anti-war protesters didn't bring down the WTC.

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:44 AM
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9. You're surprized by this?
The FBI and every other agency did it in the 60's. No doubt it's going on now.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:00 AM
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10. When does the legality of something
stop someone from doing what they want to do, if they want to do it bad enough? Especially when the state feels threatened? Or when concentrated money simply wants more? They'll change the laws, they'll go around them. It's a struggle that will never end as long as civilization is constructed in the way it is, no matter how many laws are written.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:44 PM
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11. Request for clarification re "agent provocateurs"
"They are also acting as agent provocateurs:"

Beyond collecting information, some of the undercover officers or their associates are seen on the tape having influence on events. At a demonstration last year during the Republican National Convention, the sham arrest of a man secretly working with the police led to a bruising confrontation between officers in riot gear and bystanders.


Could you explain why the above block of text justifies the label "agent provocateurs"?

If uniformed police attempted to arrest a member of the current White House administration and other members of the administration got into a violent confrontation with those uniformed police, then would you say that more information would be needed before you could be certain that the arrested member of the current administration is not an agent provocateur?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 01:35 PM
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12. because they likely showed a display of excessive force..
when they "arrested" their mole, inciting the crowds. Very reminiscent of WTO Seatlle.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:58 PM
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13. Agents provacateurs is the technical name for this crap TAKE PICTURES
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 06:01 PM by EVDebs
and video tape all protests/demonstrations for use in court. You'll also be preventing the little anarchist idiots from taking action and the cops will like getting those little bastages so you will be doing them a favor later !
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