My Fox news watching son in-law doesn't understand all the hubbub...

...about spying on Americans. The father of my grandson doesn't understand whats wrong with the government spying on Americans with no warrant. Apparently he doesn't care if his son lives in a police state as long as Osama doesn't come over here and get him. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Don

that the surveillance is just on a few suspected terrorists. We'll know this is going to the finish line if Fox has to suddenly change course and start reporting the facts, not the spin. Fox news alone cannot tame the whirlwind.

more extensive than previously thought. They tapped into phone companies trunk lines, basically recording everything. Sort of data mining I guess. We should be very afraid of this.

wasnt' necessarily brains.

edit to ask: Is he that bad on all of bush**s criminal actions, or is it just this particular area that is just beyond his comprehension?

mission accomplished.

Now, we have no reason to be afraid of them!

Is it just me or does anyone find it more than a bit...odd/strange/hypocritical that the right wingers are the ones who constantly bitch and moan about not wanting to live in a "nanny state", yet they are grown adults who, all of a sudden, don't seem to mind if their "parents" stick a baby monitor in their rooms (so to speak)...

Idiots!

maybe you should mention the saying "to lock the stable door after the horse has bolted"...

talking about the Constitution, and I just found out from him that in his 16 years of schooling, he had only one semester in which the Constitution was taught. And that class was an elective.

He responded with something like yea, yea, I know all about the constitution. He is college educated and all so I dropped it.

Don

If he can't let him read it, if he still doesn't get it, then perhaps he wouldn't mind the police showing up at his house and looking through everything he owns without showing him a warrant. If he's fine with that, then tell him that he'd have enjoyed life as a Soviet citizen.

Good luck.

Constitution in one, one semester class (an elective.) And in his own words, we didn't spend that much time on it. The class was all about government.

Or show him these:

http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Constitution.htm

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/browse.html

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our civil liberties is in order.

Maybe his brain will kick in before it's too late.

And no, I am certainly NOT claiming that that smart DU poster was me! I forget who it was, but they said:

Ask him if he thinks that a President Hillary should have the same powers of spying (w/o warrant) as he wants Bush to have.

If he says a "President Hillary" is impossible, ask him if he thinks ANY democratic president should have that power. Posit Kerry, Gore, Clinton, etc. He can't deny that (ahem) democrats do at times occupy the White House.

The same morons who buy into Bush's "judges who adhere strictly to the Constitution" also are willing to overlook and support his violating of the Constitution when it comes to individual rights and privacy.

I can't understand how they can have such assinine double standards.

Ask your son-in-law if he enjoys giving the govrnment increaed powers to follow every financial transaction he does, or to lok over his shoulder about what magazines he subscriobes to, books he might read and every word he says on the telephone.

or you're against it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5676298&mesg_id=5676758

My mother would love to have a son-in-law like that. You could send him to her house and they could sit around and watch Fox and not understand the hubbub together.

You'd be surprised how many folks have never had to study the subject.

and I know it's a bad thing for the government to be spying on citizens without warrants. Either I'm a prodigy, or civics books wouldn't help the others.

And an active interest. Some people aren't intellectually curious.

I got a lot of mine from being proven horribly, tragically, 100-percent wrong about someone I believed and trusted. There's nothing quite like being almost completely screwed to improve one's ability to spot lies and bullshit. Really, though, all you need is a working brain. I'm pretty sure I'd have had a problem with warrantless spying before I, um, learned my lesson.

Good way to put it. :thumbsup:

... England, circa 1940, the Battle of Britain.

You'd think we were in the middle of a real war, that there were battles being fought inside the USA. It's full blown hysteria at Fox News, which is used to justify Bush doing anything to "secure" us.

We need protection FROM Bush, not BY him.

1. Only criminals get arrested.
2. It can't happen to me.
3. If you've done nothing wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.

not pro Bush, that paid for Delay's airfare to Texas so he could appear on their program. That Fox?

and they published a letter in favor of spying instead this morning. Stupid red state bs.

One who would sell himself and his family into slavery for a dictator so he can pretend to be safe. My argument when people give me this crap is that they are just lazy Americans. . .people too lazy to take responsibility for self-government, so they are willing to sell it to a dictator.

If he can't figure out that Faux News is an entertainment production, then he's already sold himself out to fascism.