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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:35 PM
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India having problems with outsoucing
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With half of its 1.2 billion people under age 25, how can India possibly be short of workers? The problem is not quantity but quality. Many of the 3.6 million graduates churned out every year by Indian universities are considered mediocre.

The Nasscom-McKinsey report confirmed the experiences of HR executives. It said that only about 10 percent to 15 percent of eligible workers are fit for employment in the offshoring industry. Fluency in English apart, employers complained that graduates lacked computer skills, the ability to reason clearly, solve problems, think critically, analyze, work in teams and think creatively.

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http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=051224&cat=frontpage&st=frontpageoutsourcing_051224&src=abc
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:41 PM
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1. Just desserts!
:P
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:46 PM
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3. And then some.
:evilgrin:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:45 PM
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2. Gee! What happened to all the people in foreign countries were
better educated than American kids?

I can believe this story is true, and 10% to 15% seems about normal.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:49 PM
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4. guess i can always go to india when the shit hits the fan here
i'll just say i'm canadian when anyone asks where i'm from :evilgrin:

peace
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:49 PM
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5. Maybe...
since Dubya is cutting back on college tuition help in the USA, he will give that money to the people in India, to get better educated, in order to help out big business!:eyes:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 05:53 PM
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6. I never got that work in teams thing either...




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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:07 PM
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7. I've talked to several of those people on the phone!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:17 PM
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8. Let's not forget
the problems working for those call centers in places like Banglador. Sleep/wake patterns are reversed, and this can require quite an adjustment. Also the people getting these jobs often leave their traditional Indian culture, opting for a sort of Western hedonism that is appalling to their families. So outsourcing isn't something that all Indians embrace.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:30 PM
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9. This reminds me of something that my sister told me about her company
My sister works at an big accounting firm in NYC, she recently told me that her employer has recently been shipping jobs to places overseas to handle some accounts that are here. Since they are a big accounting firm, they've always had offices overseas , but they always handled the accounts of their own countries, and not others, and that has changed.And one of the places was India where offices have been recently set up, and she told me that since it's been set up over there, they have been messing up alot of what they are suppose to do, so its been up the US offices to correct their mistakes.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:35 PM
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10. I remember reading somewhere
that Indian high school graduates who have completed an IT course on a night school came to US to find employment in the IT field. Their friends found work for them and helped them so that the American employer didn't know about it and this happened a lot. They were not qualified at all for the things they did.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 06:37 PM
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11. many jobs are boring, stupid, yet require total concentration
and they pay next to nothing......
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 07:09 PM
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12. so what? india's a 3rd world country, millions live on the streets
a better question to get our interest is: if mcdonalds paid its managers and staff a robust middle class wage, what would a big mac cost? If dishwashers were paid what they're worth (a good dishwasher is worth alot; i know because i've worked as dw'er, and it was the most instantly gratifying job one can imagine, in terms of well done versus nfg, the crappy pay and contempt of serving staff only added to the glory - Orwell once worked as a dw'er) how would that cut into the profits of the piggy?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:01 PM
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13. a Indian I know went back a couple months ago and there
are empty buildings for some of the buildest US software companies. They can not find the people to fill them.

IMHO, the biggies that fired US workers and moved over there do not want to tell their stock holders that they FUCKED up BIG TIME.

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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:42 PM
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14. Nope, sorry.
Can't dredge up any sympathy. :evilgrin:

Say, here's an idea: countries like India, China, Pakistan, etc. could try creating their own jobs instead of taking American jobs. Naaaaah, too difficult. </sarcasm>

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 08:51 PM
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15. the blatant racism on this thread is remarkable.
Liberals when it suits your sensibility eh?
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 11:16 PM
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17. no kidding. I sometimes wonder where I am reading some of the
posts here. It's sad....
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 01:32 AM
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19. i see 2 mildly racist posts.
exaggerating a bit are we?
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 09:36 PM
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16. Is this the newest propaganda
on off-shoring? Am thinking that the people in India are becoming too expensive for those ever-searching, innovative corporations that want to be able to exploit the cheapest labor possible.

So now, the propaganda is again flying. India (just like the US) is not turning out the calibre of worker that the corporations want. Yeah right.

Next is China...and we really don't have any choice since we owe China so much money.

Pretty transparent, I think.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 11:19 PM
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18. definitely.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 04:49 AM
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20. It's not surprising.
Okay, what gets me about the snippet is the tiny phrase "the experiences of HR executives." What do HR executives know about computer skills (or skills of any kind for that matter)? In my experience they are the least skilled people in the workforce. They have no ability to judge technologically minded individuals. Expecting even the most seasoned software developers to immediately dive into a project and finish it within a few months is unreasonable, given the complexity of Microsoft programming environment. The vast majority of programmers at some point have no choice but to throw up their hands when it comes to meeting the unreasonable demands of skill-less executives (and thus this report emerges). What is all boils down to is this -- Bill Gates is touting the idea that people lack the ability to understand his programming environments in order to promote selling MS Training Certificates (first it was here, now it's abroad). He wants to control our workflow, our educations, our minds, everything! A big part of his profits and power comes from this training, which still is not enough to meet the unreasonable demands of clueless "HR executives." They are totally clueless.
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