How many in DNC, Congress, and Senate KNOW about machine fraud and

have grasped it as an issue?

We have less than a year to work it AS an issue.

I think now that people are realizing that BushInc isn't the straightshooter the media sold them, they will listen now.

it ain't like he don't know.

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/at_the_filmvideo_clearinghouse/

Nov 01, 2004
Rage Against the Machine

Harris shows Howard Dean how to to hack into Diebold's central election tabulator and alter a simulated vote count.)


I know some people don't like Bev, but she did show the Gov that you can hack the machines, he did make a vid with her.

last year?

Cuz, unfortunately, last year, there was still no one bothering to expose machine fraud as an issue before the election.

If Dean HAD understood it fully at the time, I have no doubt he would have warned Kerry and his campaign about it and worked to expose the machines long before Nov. election.

so far, I have only heard that Dean was looking into it as an issue, and that Kerry now believes the machines can get hacked.

Although I hear about overall vote fraud from some, I worry about the issue of MACHINE FRAUD and exposing them ASAP.

to figure out that someone 'might' be up to no good, then I not sure they should be leading the the charge against the Republican next time. We need someone that is ready for every angle. We can NOT be figuring it out after the fact.

for Dean at that time because he didn't fully grasp it back then at the time of the demo.

I fully trust that if he did he would have worked mightily to expose it before November.

...Dean had spoken to Kerry about it, and as I recall, Kerry was "rumored to have" expressed concern privately. Remember the "thousands of lawyers"? My suspicion is that they had set up their legal strategy to tackle one, maybe two at most, states as suspected manipulations, but if you recall, the "internets" were FLOODED with misinformation and claims from first hours of election day, from all over the nation. I don't think they were prepared to challenge the results of the election nationwide. I don't think it's that they didn't suspect or anticipate it, just that the Democrats, at that time, following what happened in 2000, weren't in a position with the public or the media where they could challenge and have it reported as anything other than sour grapes and summarily dismissed.

Without the media at least making an effort to do some real investigative reporting, there would be no independent confirmation and subsequently no reporting on the issue, at least not from a positive perspective. I wasn't under the impression that BushCo would give up office in a fair and democratic election in the first place. Sometimes I wonder if others involved weren't as similiarily suspicious, but it angers me that they still cashed the checks so to speak.

I wonder if people just have really short memories.

What will we do next time?

time. I just have no doubt he would have spearheaded the exposing of the machines if he fully believed it. I think they have seen more proof now and understand it in ways they didn't quite grasp before.

I have long believed that he and Kerry have been working an angle quietly and probably aren't getting much support from the Dem powerstructure. I am just hoping for sooner rather than later.

The more we work on OTHER lawmakers to open their eyes, the better for those working on it now.

point to machine problems and suppression, but not machine fraud.

Reports from the GAO and Conyers have received more mention than the DNC's:


Ohio Voting Sytem Failed African-Americans

From the Toledo Blade:

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said yesterday that a study commissioned by Democrats of the election in Ohio last November showed that the system "failed the citizens of Ohio in 2004, and in particular failed African Americans, new registrants, younger voters, and voters in places using touch screen machines." <...>

The 200-page study includes 23 recommendations for change. Mr. Dean said he would present an "action plan" at the next Democratic National Committee meeting in September.

The report team was headed by Donna Brazile, a Democratic activist who heads the DNC's Voting Rights Institute and who ran Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000.

The report claims:


More than 1-in-4 Ohio voters had problems with voting, including waiting long lines;


Two times as many black voters as white voters had problems. Blacks reported waiting an average of 52 minutes compared with 18 minutes for whites;


Five times as many voters had identification questioned than there should have been, based on registration statistics.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/06/ohio_voting_syt.php

and lots of dirty games in the other parts of elections. But no smoking gun.