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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:29 AM
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Milton Friedman Says That The American Economy Is Fantastic
I was watching him last night on Charlie Rose's program, and he said that we have nothing to worry about when it comes to outsourcing to Asia, budget and trade deficits, or anything else. He wants more tax cuts, more de-regulation, more free trade, and more immigration.


When I was younger, I use to think that people like Friedman were brilliant. As I've gotten older and wiser, I see that people like him look at economies through the prism of how that economy treats its wealthy and powerful. If an economy doesn't tax its wealthy nor regulates its businesses, then to Friedman, that economy is a strong productive economy. IOW, in Friedman's world, only the wealthy matter. The working class and the poor are just there to serve the wealthy, and they do not deserve any of life's necessities like food, shelter, housing, education, and health care by virture of being a citizen of a nation. They have to prove their worth to the wealthy in order to get these things.
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:35 AM
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1. I can't believe
I can't believe that old capitalist gasbag was still around. I thought he had turned to dust and ashes long ago...
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:39 AM
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2. He's got a 19th century mind. Listen to men like that talk for very long,
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 10:39 AM by Marr
and they'll almost always express the idea that wealth=intelligence and superiority. It comes out in their little unthinking catchphrases, like, "it's the wealthy who create jobs", or "we need to cut taxes on the most productive Americans", etc., etc.

The natural consequence of that belief is, of course, that poverty=inferiority.

I'd bet you cash money Milton Friedman either started out rich or upper middle class.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:45 AM
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4. It fits in well with the religious right's view of morality and social
standing. The wealthy deserve their wealth because they are good, upstanding Christians. The poor deserve their lot for some sins they choose to repeat time and again.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:46 AM
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5. I Think He Started Out Poor, But
he learned that if you use your intellect to protect the wealthy from taxation, then you will be handsomely rewarded.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:25 PM
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15. Those who produce are the most productive. That's the workers.
Nothing happens anywhere until somebody does some work.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:38 PM
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16. The poor are increasingly being demonized
by conservatives. Listen to Rush when he says "the poor"...it sounds like he's saying "the criminals".
No New Testament for these folks. No reciting of Jesus' parable of the rich man and the beggar woman...who Jesus praised because though she gave a few pennies..she gave "all that she had". Whereas the rich man bragged about how much he contributed to the church though it was a fraction of his wealth.
You won't hear that from Rush or any of the others who glorify wealth.
And so many of today's wealthy did nothing -- nothing -- to earn their wealth. They're not inventors like Edison, Ford, or McCormick. They inherited wealth. Or stole it from their bankrupted corporation. These are not admirable people.
And yet. Increasingly. We're demonizing the poor. It's their fault Wal-Mart's wages won't put food on the table and gas in the car. It's their fault Katrina leveled their homes and communities and took away their employment.
You're right. These smug conservative wingbags feel superior.
Without reason.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:11 PM
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17. Have You Ever Watched MTV's Laguana Beach
It's a reality show that follows the lives of rich kids living in a beach community. I think that it's Malibu. Talk about the idle rich. They do nothing but fret over their "relationships". They're not studying medicine, engineering, or anything that could actually help makind. They're spending their parents' wealth, and we should give these assholes tax cuts?
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:23 PM
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18. Exactly
America has been a place where ingenuity meant success. Now, our wealthy have done nothing. They've inherited. That's it. And that money didn't provide jobs. It was just kept safe for little Paris to spend on her toys. There's no growth or stimulation of the economy. It's stagnant.
How has the Bush family wealth enriched our country? What jobs have been created? Dubya failed miserably at three companies before Papa installed him as governor.
And even worse are the CEOs who have so gloriously "failed up". They've done horribly at their jobs. And profited by billions. In their wake are the thousands of hard-working Americans who have lost their life savings.
We're turned the American dream on its head. Now, it's not about working hard. It's about gaming the system and then hoarding the lucre you didn't sweat to earn.
Plus, conservatives always equate their bank accounts with their saintliness. If they've got the money, then they just have to be better people than everyone else.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:39 AM
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3. he`s delusional
and should be put in a home for the elderly
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:46 AM
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6. They should start outsourcing academic economists to India
I bet there is someone in Bangalore who can make similar profound observations for 1/5 of Milton's compensation.

Put Milty to work as a Walmart greeter, and hire the Indian.

Let Milty personally experience what makes the American economy "great".
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:04 PM
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11. "start outsourcing academic economists to India"
Yes. And notice how no one's in a rush to offshore CEO, CIO, CFO, etc. positions offshore -- that's where real savings are. It makes a helluva lot more sense to offshore those insanely-paid positions w/their platinum parachutes than offshore regular folks.
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:57 AM
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7. His therories have been discarded to the shitpile of history.
trickle down economics have been found not to work and in the hands of morons like george w bush, they are dangerous to the economy of the entire country.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:01 AM
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8. i saw about 10 minutes of him telling Charlie that our debt is the only
safe debt to buy and not to worry, they won't be cashing it in. That was about all i could take.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:24 AM
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9. Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan may as well be clones...
No wonder why lower income people are suffering.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:43 AM
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10. Their "Economy" Only Applies to the Rich
So when you see or hear how well the 'economy" is doing, you know the middleclass and poor are suffering. There is no more representation in the media for "We the People". And yes, the wealthy have just about abandoned the principals of our Democracy for greed. They in fact are traitors who use and abuse our system.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:06 PM
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12. Why is it whenever someone says "the economy is good"
it's always some asshole with a really good paying job?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:19 PM
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14. Some asshole being paid big bucks to represent the economy,...
,...as being something other than what it really is to MOST Americans.

He's just another well-paid "HO" or, actually, prostitute He bases none of his assertions on reality or overwhelming fact pertaining to MOST Americans, being a amoral prick that he is. It's a living, I guess.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:15 PM
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13. He believes in the religion of capitalism.
For the love of money,...he advocates unleashed greed and gluttony. He's a disease.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:46 PM
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19. I would love to trickle down a stream of piss on his liver-spotted head
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:09 AM
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20. Economists hate inflation. Outsourcing and government spending only
outside the country like War is good to fight inflation.

What Friedman means is that that pesky little problem with inflation is solved - if only the bottom 2/3 of the population sacrifice with lesser paying jobs and buying cheaper goods.

Says nothing about what the rich are doing?

What sacrifice they?
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