The Chalice and The Blade is NOT a religious book.

and if you think it is you haven't read it.
You really should sometime....
When some of you do,can we have a discussion about it and how it relates to our current political and socio-economic problems?
Seems that every time I post in reference to it; it gets moved to the Relgion and Theology forum.
I really want to have a discussion about the partnership society model she talks about--yes; it is politically relevant.
Sheds alot of light on how the organized religions became political machines and crowd control (not bashing the beliefs as much as showing how they were and are misused; mysioginous and sexist--and the pre-patriarchal ones a bit too). Helps with the understaning of the big picture.
(Mods; please don't think I am calling anyone out or trying to cause trouble; just want to have a discussion about something I think is relevant)
I'm just sayin'. Y'all get back to me on this; y'hear?

Oh boy..I'm probably in trouble. Oh well; won't know if I don't try.

Nada to do with religion save for the fact that our current religious paradigms are designed to promote and support the most powerful current cultural, social, economic systems.

It is a book which shows there were other ways and offers that there ARE OTHER WAYS.

I just get annoyed that some tend to not utilize it the way we should--some brilliant conclusions there.

What better way to control the masses than to have the laws mandated by God? How do you challenge or question that? The same is true of all theocracies. I'm not saying all religion is bad, just that much of it has been shaped by those seeking to control, rather than enlighten, the population.

the Pharoah being a living god. All government was administered through the temples, as well as the distribution of food and goods.

I mention Christianity only because it is still in practice today.

about how religion is nothing but control, and how we really only need 2 Commandments.

"...and Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you."

I love George Carlin.

in female centered societies. Did it just not occur to them to try to take over? Were they content to leave the mysteries of existence to women and just compete in games and hunting? What do we do with people who are compelled to control?

I think they just had a different perception of the way things are/were. The female was held as sacred...who knows what kind of power that really welded?
I'll have to come back to this....

functionally, eisler cites 'dominator' vs 'coopertive' as the basic framework. so, how people organized themselves in society followed a fundamentally different set of assumptions than ours.

as to your second question, I'd say kill them quickly and get back to the hunt. They're invariably suffering from short man syndrome.

Please use the Powell's or Barnes & Noble links on my web site; http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/ Thanks!

I'm refreshing my memory.

Let's all talk about it - partnership versus dominator society. Boy, you wanna piss of the capitalists?

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my B&N gift card to buy. Thanks for mentioning it. :thumbsup:

It's been 15-20 years; I don't remember exactly how long. Still, I remember quite clearly the impact it had on me.

For the record, I checked this book out from my then school district office's professional library. My favorite teacher/principle/superintendent of all times bought 25 copies and encouraged educators to do group reads/study groups.

It certainly isn't a religious book, but is highly instructive for anyone wanting to delve beneath the surface of gender roles and inequalities throughout human history.

It's also quite a poke in the eye to our current patriarchal politi-religious power structures.

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Hi lildreamer316. :hi: Happy New Year All :toast:

Hope you had a good holiday.....

read anything by Rosemary Radford Ruether - including a nice little book called To Change the World.

This book is next to The Chalice and the Blade on my bookshelf!

thats why it was banned from the Catholic reading lists...

He revealed the FEMALE side to GENEOLOGY

you can't ignore the MOTHER

what everybody was reading; told us to just shout out titles of books we were into and thought highly of. Amazing how many shouted out The Chalice & The Blade. Sure was an ice breaker for the audience and speaker! Went from a room full of awe-struck fans of the lady to a big circle of friends and mentors within two minutes! The book generates THAT kind of positive discussion.

To those who haven't had the experience, click the link on benburch's post and get yourself a copy for the new year. It gives one some things to ponder and be hopeful of.

Me, I gotta dig my dusty ol copy out and read it again... been a long time and might just be what the doctor orders for these dark days.

Thanks for bringing this interesting work up, lildreamer316. If ever there was a time to remind ourselves there ARE other ways of being, it is now.

Happy New Year! :hi:

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Yes; I agree it is worth a revisiting; I really think it is a good reality check to see the big picture..and for many men to realize that the feminist movement is not against them but the patriarchal movement in history. I find her ultimate goal of a more equal/partnership society to be an idea whos time is actually long past. Discussion is needed in any case.