If elected, Clark would be America's second Catholic president?

Correct?

Any baptists in the past. He might be the first one of those too.

He's a half jew raised baptist who converted to Catholicism.

I think Truman was too.

do you remember when carter decided to leave the southern baptists because of their right wing agenda, especially telling women to submit to men ?

Carter's a good man and it was definitely their loss.

but I'm not sure.

Clark has the bases covered on religious affiliation! He doesn't seem to be particularly dogmatic or fundamentalist which works for me. Bush's endless references to God seem pretty disingenuous to me considering how much he lies and manipulates.

MzPip
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Whatever elicits a positive reponse from a focus group, that's what Clark is!

If you don't like the guy, you don't like the guy. Allright already.

any more than it is a Kerry, Dean or Kucinich rah-rah board.

It's a discussion board and people are free to express their opinions as well as their likes and dislikes.

Those expecting a rah-rah board might consider stuffing it ;)

You can say any old thing?????

Clark is for real. He really is 1/2 Jewish...that's a fact

He really did grow up as a Baptist...that's fact

He really did convert to Catholism when he married his wife, who's from the Bronx, by the way.

He really was born in Chicago, naked and alone...that also a fact

He really was raised in the South...moved there at four, when his father died.

He really is a self made man from humble roots....that's a fact. His step dad was an alcoholic who didn't provide for his family.

He really did get a scholarship to West Point, that a fact.

He really did graduate First in his Class....that another fact.

He really was wounded 4 times in Vietnam...and kept on going in commanding his men...and that's a fact (earned him a silver & Bronze)

He really did go to Oxford to study as a Rhode Scholar...that's a fact.

He really did receive MA degrees in Philosophy, Economics and Politics....that's another fact.

He really can speak Russian and Spanish..that's another fact.

He really did become a 4 star General, and did really command a war in which no soldiers under his command perished....another fact.

He really is an honest person, thereby revealing that he voted Republican until Clinton....(as most military people do...because their interest are the arm forces..and Republicans, in the past, were the ones who would grow the military budgets)....and that's a fact.

He really did vote for Clinton and Gore (and Lieberman too) and, since we believe him when he said he voted Republican, we should also believe that he voted Democrat......

He really was a registered Independent, and that's a fact.

In my opinion, based on this man's background and the fact that I believe him to be earnest.....I will vote for him....and that's a FACT.

So for those who want to interpret him to be an opportunist....who might tell whomever his audience is whatever they want to hear....I say, you've just don't know the facts.

NOT

I wonder what your answer would be. I have a couple guesses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=569544&mesg_id=569544

:evilgrin:

And if you don't like it, vote for somebody else.

I mean, that's what you said right? So why do you care?

Remember all that stuff you said about "closure"?

I don't remember.

So was Carter.

She said she'd have to vote for him.

Welcome back from the Dark Side...

Its kinda pathenic theres only been one non protestant president.

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You also should take a look at their ethnic backgrounds.

Doesn't look like we're going to break that tradition this time around. I hadn't thought about Clarks religious background, but now I can see why I like him - I've got Catholic, Jewish and Protestant roots, too. Actually, I'm kidding, but not. I think it's a good thing - not a really big thing, but good. It gives you a different perspective on these things when your background is varied.

Well we've never had a president of Eastern European blood, Clark has that a bit and Kucinich.

kerry raised catholic but his grandfather was jewish. he converted because of discrimination. kerry didn't find out until later in life about this. kucinich is also catholic.

True.

He's too French looking. :evilgrin:

(Sorry 'bout that. He's my second choice, though!)

MzPip
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What is shrubs denomination?

Funny that the two of my favorite candiates Kerry and Kucinich happen to share faiths.

He looks like an Ugly French guy, maybe. We've got some fine ones too, with personalities and everything!

Maybe he just looks like an ugly American guy, ever thought of that?

to be jewish if just his granddad was.

Jewish is a heritage, like being Irish. You get half your genes from your mommy and half from your daddy.

Do you think that German genes only pass through the father? LOL.

Mike

other-wise you're right according to Orthodox definition. What's interesting though is that Clark's claim is that he's a Kohain and that passes through the paternal line. I am still waiting on an explanation from a Talmudic scholar about this one because he not only claimed it but the claim was accepted and forwarded by Jewish papers world-wide to include Orthodox ones.

What fascinates me is that this election candidates were practically scrambling to parade their Jewish roots and associations. I'm still waiting for Sharpton to pull some babooshka out of his closet- Ethiopian maybe :shrug:

i`m so old i remember when jfk and the usa would be run by the pope!!!who cares? i wouldn`t care if he was a satanist as long as he gets this nation back on course and stays the hell out of my religion....

He will have to vote for Clark too.

Mike

Has he come forth and stated a firm position on civil unions for queers? Not just the standard vague generalized platitudes... but does he HONESTLY support FULL equality and protection under the law for gays and lesbians?

What are his opinions on family planning and AIDS research? Last time I visisted his web site, it seemed to be lacking these specifics.

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I know that Clark converted to Catholicism but I can swear that during a recent public meeting he referred to "talking to his minister" about running for president. Does anybody remember this? Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that he is currently attending a Presbyterian church?

And, in response to another post, Clark's wife came from Brooklyn, not the Bronx. In NYC that's a big difference. ;)

Why can't there be a president with no religious affiliation? Just an idea.

or agnostic :shrug: I wouldnt care. I think we have a long way to go before that happens unfortunely, it took long enough to elect a Catholic, we havent elected a minority or woman, and most if not all of the president are Western European blooded. I dont care what the faith is. BTW welcome to DU, plenty of Canadians here.

That's probably just as good. Means that Clark has an open mind....
Same thing goes for the fact that he has voted both ways.

Means that he ain't no hard head....like some li'l pRez we all know and can't stand!

:)

Americans won't vote for a prez without a declared (mainstream) religion. It's somewhat annoying to this atheist, but not much can be done about it.

Anyway, Clark fans are just enjoying the thought that the election of their candidate might mark another milestone for tolerance and inclusiveness, this thread really isn't about religion.

historians George Washington was "Catholic"