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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:08 AM
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The Trolls Here Are Killing Me. Their Presence Speaks More Than Sinking
Poll numbers for Bush. Do they really think we don't know? Sheeeeesh. Just because we don't call you out doesn't mean we don't know who you are.

You guys are pathetic. You think you're being smart when you sound soooo shtoo-pid.

One thing I hadn't counted on as Bush goes down. The flood of trolls. Invasion of the borg. Why don't you all do something useful like sign up for your war?



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:15 AM
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1. Yes, Sir. Things aren't going their way.
One MSNBC poll has 86-percent favor chimpeachment.

Gee. What will they do if their boss gets tossed in the pen?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:21 AM
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5. Perhaps with the offing of a bunch of higher political
careers, the little boy buggerers and various other social misfits will lose their cover and a new awakening of political ethics begin to evolve. Yeah, Pollyanna is a personal friend of mine.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:51 AM
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28. Some don't see criminal conspiracy on the part of their government...
The question is "Why?"

One answer is CIA wants it that way.



How the CIA Killed History

by Ace R. Hayes
(May/June 1997 issue)
From the Portland Free Press

Editor's note: Three decades ago (4 January 1967), the CIA produced adocument (#1035-960), "Countering Criticism of the Warren Report." This document was partly declassified under an FOIA, September 1976. It is the blueprint for employing "CIA media assets" to smear critics of the Warren Commission. The justification for this perversion of truth, justice and democracy was clearly stated: "Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society."

CONTINUED…

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/news/ciakillhistory.htm

Read this CIA document 1035-960 here:

Countering Criticism of the Warren Report

http://www.jfklancer.com/CIA.html

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:44 AM
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34. Thanks-bookmarked-will peruse shortly.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:22 AM
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6. 86% for chimpeachment. Oh my!
:bounce:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:45 AM
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26. From your keyboard to Santa's to-do list...
Like H20 Man and I brought up, smart people are starting to notice that we live in gangster times:



It's my party and I'll spy if I want to

December 26, 2005
By Glen McAdoo
Lahontan Valley News and Fallon Eagle Standard (Nevada)

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires - a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so"- George W. Bush April 20, 2004.

At the very time of that statement, George W. Bush was personally overseeing wiretaps without any court orders.

For all of you who still claim this president doesn't lie, this must come as a shock. For the rest of us it just comes as another "we told you so." He admitted as much the other day when he vowed to continue the practice of spying on American citizens whom he suspects may have ties to Al Qaeda.

The problem is, who is deciding just what amounts to "ties to Al Qaeda?" Not the courts. George W. Bush is above the law. He and he alone will decide. Okay, he may consult with a crony or two. As Richard Nixon once said, "if the president does it, it can't be illegal." Right, George?

How times have changed. With a few exceptions, the most outspoken Republicans who were screaming for the head of Bill Clinton for lying about an extra-marital encounter, claiming no one was above the law, are singing a different tune now that it's their guy who seems to believe he is above the law.

CONTINUED...

http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20051226/Opinion/112260005




Maybe good ol' Bob Byrd will get some in Congress to notice.



IMPEACH BUSH: NO PRESIDENT IS ABOVE THE LAW, NOT IN CHILE, NOT IN THE U.S.

Bush’s Slippery Slope Leads To A Police State, Plain And Simple


(Dec. 21, 2005, Ed. Note: It is a sad state of affairs to have the President of the United States admit to the nation and to the world that he is spying on the citizens he is elected to safeguard.

It is worse to have the President aggressively justify his “big brother” politics in the name of an ill-begotten, counter-productive war on terrorism that, by his own admission, will go on for years and years and years. It would seem that George Orwell’s “1984” is now at hand; that Bush is aiming to outdo Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, who also justified his assault on the human rights of Chileans in the higher name of a “war on terrorism.”

The slippery slope that Bush has embarked upon leads to a police state, plain and simple.

Bush argues that his powers as a president in “times of war” are plenary – that is, full, complete, without limit. Yet the very soul of a democracy is the equal powers that the three branches of government share, each serving as a counterweight to the messianic impulses that any one of the other branches might dare assume.

How can President Bush claim to want to instill a working democracy in Iraq, while at the same time violating our own U.S. laws, our own system of checks and balances? Terrorism is a serious risk to our nation, but a far greater threat is the centralization of American political power in the hands of any single branch of the government.

CONTINUED w Byrd's speech to the U.S. Senate...

http://www.tcgnews.com/santiagotimes/index.php?nav=story&story_id=10503&topic_id=1



Think! We live in a time when a newspaper in Chile has to remind America of the dangers of a CIA-induced dictatorship!

This isn't ironic. It's tragic.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:45 AM
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13. The Mighty Octafish!
(Bowing solemnly) :headbang:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:34 AM
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23. LOLMF! I dig this holiday spirit!
No wait, my Friend! I'm just a lucky guy who lives in interesting times.

I like history, too.

Remember April Glaspie, the acting U.S. Ambassador to Iraq who told Saddam the United States had no position on Arab-Arab border disputes?



April Glaspie Redux

Remember how the justification for the US government's permanent blockade and eventual aggressive invasion of Iraq in 2003 was based on the idea that Saddam Hussein was in defiance of the cease fire agreement that ended his war with the United Nations in 1991?

For the sake of making the real point of this post, we can neglect the fact that, as former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter has explained,

"Within months of this resolution being passed – and the United States was a drafter and voted in favor of this resolution – within months, the President, George Herbert Walker Bush, and his Secretary of State, James Baker, are saying publicly -- not privately, publicly -- that even if Iraq complies with its obligation to disarm, economic sanctions will be maintained until which time Saddam Hussein is removed from power. That is proof positive that disarmament was only useful insofar as it contained, through the maintenance of sanctions, and facilitated regime change.

It was never about disarmament. It was never about getting rid of weapons of mass destruction. It started with George Herbert Walker Bush and it was a policy continued through eight years of the Clinton presidency and then brought us to this current disastrous course of action under the current Bush administration,"


and instead focus on the question of what justified the UN war in the first place:

Why did Saddam want to invade Kuwait in August 1990? Seems he was having trouble paying off his debts from the war with Iran and Kuwait's government was having more than their OPEC quota worth of oil produced, which was driving down Saddam's revenues to the point where he was facing bankruptcy and perhaps the loss of his power. On top of this were allegations that the Kuwaitis were slant-drilling under Iraq's border and stealing their oil in order to accomplish this.

Enter US ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie.

As we are reminded in this piece for the Jang group by Kaleem Omar, "Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?, the United States, during a meeting between Hussein and Glaspie, invited Saddam Hussein to send his army to invade tiny, defenseless Kuwait.

CONTINUED...

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2585



Warmongers for Bush!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:01 AM
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17. Wow
What was the actual poll?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:20 AM
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20. It's a beaut.
Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 170528 responses


Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
86%

No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4%

No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
8%

I don't know.
2%


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:40 AM
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24. Here's another poll where the Chimp gets beat down
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:17 AM
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2. It's kinda cool, isn't it?
When you've been posting here awhile and have taken a few hits, one day it all becomes transparent--who is a troll and who is not. What is also interesting is that those selfsame trolls seem to be totally mystified at how you know, often becoming abusive and confirming their status just before the tombstone falls.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:19 AM
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4. I'm new. Am I a troll?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:23 AM
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7. Dunno, the shiny is all rubbed off!
Do you fish?
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:27 AM
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9. Can't you tell?
;)
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:34 AM
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11. I know but
it seems that some can, by some miracle, divine this. Here's a hint. I sent an alert on a 9700+ commenter and that person is gone.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:56 AM
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15. Really!? Wow! Just by hitting "alert"?? Peachy-keen!!
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:06 AM
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18. The alert was because some
asshole made a comment about the death of Dungy's son. Being fairly new, I alerted and said that I had no idea of the protocol and asked them to check it out. They made the final call. Why so ascerbic?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:12 AM
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19. Actually, I would have hit "alert" on that one, too. I thought we were...
...still discussing the Mapes thread...that's the one where a branch got deep-sixed.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:24 AM
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21. No problem. I should have been more specific.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:53 AM
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29. You mean the branch that you messed up?
:rofl:
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:59 AM
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16. You're being followed too, huh? nt
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:31 AM
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22. So it seems
one hell of a welcome to DU.:rant:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:40 AM
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25. I'll try.
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 01:42 AM by EST
Say something intelligent.


:evilgrin: (sorry, couldn't resist):toast:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:27 AM
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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:42 AM
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12. Let's find out


Damn! Now we may never know!

;)
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:50 AM
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14. I'm surprised you have to ask
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:19 AM
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3. Ignore is your friend. Don't waste your energy, we need you.
:hi:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:24 AM
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8. It will get worse before it gets better.
2006 will see many rocks overturned.

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:49 AM
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27. Sitting around having circle-jerks for Chimpy isn't enough
They have to come over here and try to stir up trouble. Their lives are obviously very, very replete. Poor borg simpletons.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:08 AM
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30.  I like how they think if they pile up enough posts, they are
sufficiently undercover.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:28 AM
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31. Indeed
As if their attitudes aren't enough to give them away.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:12 AM
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32. Cast them as garden gnomes
Cast each of these trolls in to clay, paint them as lurid picasso-abstracts,
fired in your minds eye,
that each of these completed 'garden trolls'
entertain its own shrubbery.

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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:25 AM
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33. This is why people call us tin-foil hatters. All this talk of trolls is
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 03:36 AM by Raydawg1234
bulshit. Don't turn this into some sort of cheezy online alternate reality. Just ignore these people.

P.S. No I am not a troll, because that is what some of you will probably say. Do I sense some Neo-Macarthyism at DU?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 07:07 AM
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35. locking
If you think someone is a disruptor, click the "Alert" link below their post to let the moderators know.

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