I Don't Get NY

...or NYC...the city is actually way more conservative than a lot of south of the Mason-Dixon line cities I know. Their Democrats fit right into a Republican dream (Ed Koch, Cuomo...) and they have never put forth any leaders in the way of Progressive values.

Think about NYC...have you ever known a more racist, xenophobic area than Queens? Long Island? Damn, even Manhattan is full of Republican Yuppie Scum.

Whoever thinks NYC is any kind of liberal haven doesn't know the place very well. Most NY Dem's I know are indistinguishable from the Republicans.

I'm of the opinion we progressives should write off NYC, and stick to where we can suceed. Personally, I think the Midwest and a lot of the South is more up-for-grabs than New York is. The Midwest is reeling from the assault on them by big business, and the South's only alignment with the Repubs is on Religion. Give them a local candidate like the Kucinich of old, and you've got the South in your hands.

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obviously they've never been to the Bronx

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I live in California (california...ahhhh...those dipsh*ts who just elected a groping nazi gorilla as their Governor.)

But I have relatives in Long Island (Massapequa, if you're familiar) and never have I known such a group of Likud-worshipping Freepers in my life. I spent many summers on the Island, as well as in NYC.

I also spent summers in Iowa, from my dads side of the family. People I knew there were Old Fashioned Democrats. They didn't like large scale changes, whether they were big government programs, or big government wars against other countries. They're still that way to much of an extent.

The Democratic Party has abandoned the Midwest and the South, concentrating on the big cities. Sure there are a lot of progressives, but there are a lot of Freepers with Democratic party membership.

I have a cousin in law who is a registered Democrat, but listens with glee every time a homeless person freezes to death in Central Park, or gets beaten by local kids. "They deserve it," he says, "You have no idea how confrontational these people are." Confrontation or no confrontation, no one deserves to freeze to death.

I know California is no paradise....and we have a group of monkeys in muscle cars who just elected a muscle head as governor. But most people out here are at least marginally progressive, which is more than I can say for the Freepers I came to know in the Big Apple.

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And your boy Ed Koch's masturbation over Dubya...and most recently 'favorite boy' Cuomo's licking the Dim Son's bootheel is a reason to be proud of the Big Apple?

Argument by anecdote is pitiful. I guess we won't be hearing about NYer's like Spitzer, Clinton, Schumer, Rangel, Nadler, etc from you.

from your own family!

Why put your ignorance on display this way? And why insult millions of people at once? You are making these ridiculous claims from CALIFORNIA?

I'm reporting you to Chuck and Hillary.

NYC doesn't vote exclusively for the President.

I don't think it's wise to write off 31 electoral votes, especially now that California is in (some) danger of going Republican.

there are idiots, bigots, racists, etc. in every city

but this statement:

Most NY Dem's I know are indistinguishable from the Republicans.

is utterly ridiculous. too bad you didn't catch any of the MASSIVE anti-bush/iraq war rallies...

feh.

but polls showed NYC pretty much in favor of the war for oil.

Cards on the table, buddy. I say there's less support for the war in NYC than in the nation as a whole.

Mossad sent them an email.

outside of the nationally organized DC events

produced CROWDS on the level of NYC???

feh. couldn't think of a dem candidate to bash today ??? decided to start on cities ???

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"To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives."

- Alexander Hamilton, NYC
http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fed_01.html

maybe you're hanging out in the wrong neighborhoods. I have been going there for business since the early nineties (on a weekly basis), lived there for a year, and have tons of friends from NY Metro. So I know NY very well, and you are absolutely wrong.

Look at the number of Dems they elect to Congress. And there is a lot of radical thought floating around the East Village, Lower East Side and Brooklyn.

Look at Cuomo...look at Koch...would you call them Liberal?

Is Hillary Clinton the paragon of liberalism? Sure, she's a great Centrist like her husband, but she is no liberal.

New York City may have more out-and-out Marxists per square inch than anywhere else in the U.S. Is that liberal for you?

Look at Lower Manhattan's boho neighborhoods (if you've ever set foot there) and parts of Brooklyn. Look at the protest marches and radical events that happen in NYC.

And the Dems-with the exception of the two idiots you name-are by and large the liberal variety. As in New England, even a lot of Republicans are RINOs, unlike the rest of the country.

You may find that New Yorkers-most Northeasterners for that matter-are pretty gruff and express themselves in a politically incorrect manner. It doesn't mean they vote that way.

Koch, no.

What are you talking about???

Hillary Clinton, like her husband in 92, ran as a Centrist. She opposed tax hikes and gave out and out support for Israel. While senator she voted for the Patriot Act, for the war in Iraq and for one of Bush's tax cuts.

Don't get me wrong, I would vote for her myself. But she is a Centrist Democrat. I'm a centrist, with Liberal tendencies.

Hillary's not liberal enough for you, fine. As you know, hate radio considers her the equivalent of Che Guevara.

But you have not proved your point that NYC is some hotbed of wingnut freepers. Please, get some perspective.

Like I said, I'd vote for her.

But she's not a liberal. Please, define Liberal then? Is Alan Colmes a Liberal? Is Chris Matthews a Liberal? Is Tom Daschle a Liberal?

people do everywhere. The apolitical voters in the middle apparently helped Bloomberg and Pataki out, and they also must have voted for Schumer and Hillary, because they LIKE those candidates. Also, apparently, the same voters voted for Hillary, AND Pataki, and Bloomberg, and Schumer. They do this, because they are not ideological; they vote for the candidates they LIKE best!

Just like everywhere else.

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Bobby Kennedy
Franklin Roosevelt

Roosevelt yes - I'll give you that one
Kennedy was from MA

Sad that you had to go back over 70 years to find one

Rangel, Nadler, Gloria Steinem, Bella Abzug, Ron Kuby,

Sharpton was a plant for the FBI, Steinem a plant for the CIA.

Tinfoil hat? Look it up....its all documented.

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/surveil/steinem.html

http://www.prisonactivist.org/pipermail/prisonact-list/2000-March/002720.html

If it's on the internet, it *has* to be true!

Credibility go poof.

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Prove Sharpton isn't working for the FBI? How about you prove that he is?

Could be the documents were fabricated by the CIA and FBI, but there is no benefit to them.

Hahahaha!! Of course they have no interest in discrediting a conservative like Sharpton! :-)

And "bastion of liberalism" is your words, not ours.

The FBI wants Sharpton in the spotlight (after all he's an un-electable money chasing back stabbing informant), they wanted Jesse Jackson (an amazing orator who can unite people from all over, and actually shed blood in the Civil Rights Struggle) out.

Sharpton pretty much brought all of the allegations against Jackson to light so he could take over.

But this is off topic - if you want to discuss this please IM me.

and they are just meant to distract us from the fact that you made an accusation you can't back up. And even if Sharpton did help the FBI, that doesn't make him any less a liberal or a progressive.

OK....in bullet points:

- Jackson is a major political player.
- Sharpton is a publicity hungry Reverent in NYC.
- FBI works with Sharpton to elminate certain elements within Black Leadership in America. Like COINTELPRO, they want it under their control.
- Sharpton is used by the FBI to discredit Jackson, and becomes the most prominent Black in American Politics.

Sharpton isn't a Liberal, he's a tool. Big difference.

I do agree tho that weve gone way off topic.

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And why are you talking about DENIAL?

Why do you, apropos of nothing, make such absurd pronouncements about NYC from a distance of 3000 miles?

http://www.opensecrets.org/states/delegatn.asp?State=NY

even tho he did not win by majority.

We never elected Guiliani. We never elected Pataki. We never elected Ed Koch. We never had riots protesting the bussing in the 1970's.

All I am saying is that NYC is not as liberal than it gets credit for.

All I am saying is that NYC is not as liberal than it gets credit for

and the arguments you've made, I could say the same for DU

*clap clap clap clap clap clap*

Bobby Kennedy also died there.

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Can't. Gotta go beat my wife. C'mere bitch...

Can I have a piece? I'm so tired of beating my own wife.

I didn't want to embarrass you.

Roosevelt is timeless.

Kennedy was a New York Senator.

So I guess Clinton counts, too.

Come to think of it, you've already embarrassed yourself.

which progressive American leaders don't come from New York?

I can only name MLK Jr., Molly Ivins, there's a couple others.

at the very least...

but from my state.

There are progressives everywhere-but it's oviously easier to be one in NY or Boston than in Boise or Birmingham.

Mass is a cauldron of liberalism.

that's true

WABC AM

Also Bill Moyers, HBO, Showtime, MTV, etc., etc.

You're right about WABC, but it's not really produced as a local station. It is where many syndicated shows are produced, including OxyRush Limbaugh, along with some local programming.

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he was from queens as well....

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I live in Brooklyn but here's some info on queens for ya

http://www.queenstribune.com/anniversary2002/theyallcome.htm

you use incidents from thirty years ago that support your warped premise. It's ludicrous.

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:7

It happens every October. One of these days it may happen to some other city, but they have to win a lot of ballgames between now and then.

For the record, I have no idea about Mariano Rivera's politics. All I know is, he's the guy you want on the mound in the 9th inning.

from 3,000 miles away. He brings up crap from the 1970s-bussing protests. The reason California never had protests is because it was mostly white at the time. Integration was an issue everywhere thirty years ago, but the we have progressed since then. And how about the Rodney King incident? As I recall, that was in LA...

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:eyes:

You all obviously LOOOOOVE NYC...and who am I to take that away from you? So much that anyone who insults your BELOVED city gets called cretin, imbecile, nutbag, nincompoop....so it can be said that New Yorkers resort to namecalling whenever theyre attacked.

Oh well, I'd be pissed too if I had to live in a city with a bunch of monkey freepers who can't count to twenty without taking off their shoes too.

Oh I guess I can play that fucking game too.

Why are you posting this trash? There are hundreds of New Yorkers at DU, and everyone of us is ready to wring your neck. If you're lucky. Knock it off.

Clue: Don't attack first.

"New Yorkers resort to namecalling whenever theyre attacked."

Proof you've never been there.

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and the south is full of repukes who married their cousins.

and california obviously has their retard heads up their asses.

So, we should write off New York, California, the South, Texas, the Midwest and just focus on Eugene Oregon.

stupid and pointlessly inaccurate posts Ive ever read on DU.

If you don't live here, then you really don't know what it is like to live here. NYC is a great place to live and in case you didn't know, we are not all raving racists running amok.

NYC is a diverse place with many different races and ethnic groups. It has always been this way and this is what makes this city great. Please stop insulting people because of whatever prejudice you seem to have.

So the NY Democrats are just like Republicans? Thanks a lot for your insight. I never knew. I guess all of us Republicans just love to vote for Democrats. :eyes:


Sheeeeeeeesh!! Learn about NY before you post about it!

Maybe you just don't like city-folk or somethun.

Just about everything else you have said is bullshit, and based on nothing other than your obvious irrational hostility toward my city.

Or maybe you have a *problem* with your family in NY?

:eyes:

If you want to settle this with a fistfight, I will do so reluctantly.

But otherwise this is frickin pointless...I apologize for insulting your city. Chances are, my experiences in NYC are radically different than yours. Some of you come out to my side of the Earth and see Roseville, Modesto, Contra Costa County and Gilroy and think you've landed in Freeperville.

So let's bury the fricken hatchet, aight?

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I'm sick of it, and I would think you would be too...

BTW...If I had started a thread bashing the south, or the midwest...I would have nothing but cheers and amens.

SIGH...I kinda wonder how we ever plan to take back the red states....

If you want to irrationally bash entire regions of the U.S., I suggest you take it somewhere else. DU isn't the place for this kind of BS.

of burying the hatchet?

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You're like 0 for 2,000 tonight.

If you want to continue, come out here to California, my names in the book, and I'll even let you get the first punch in.

Sounds reasonable?

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Insult an entire region in an ignorant fashion.

Defend your ignorance for 70 posts.

Cut and run like a coward asswipe after the beatings have gotten to you.

That = you.

Be proud. Be very proud.

I'm willing to admit I was wrong. I'm also willing to admit you're a bit of an asshole.

I never insulted anyone personally until you came along.

Get back on the depakote, friend.

What is it with you and adverbs?

What would it take for you to drop it? Public apology? Season tickets to the Red Sox? Life supply of band-aids? WHAT????

sans challenges to fistfights.

"I'm sorry I insulted New York. That was stupid."

There. You can cut and paste.

Since you're about smearing whole regions, you can apologize for Nixon and Reagan while you're at it.

ago.

As usual, NY and the whole Northeast is an acceptable punching bag.

or so they say at Fenway. :)

;-)

"Let's drop it!"

Ahhh, see how well the tactic of "diss wildly and run" works for you here in NYC. But you're so brave on the net!

"So let's bury the fricken hatchet, aight?"

Let's learn some respect, aight?

Lotta runnin'. :)

To the curb.

That goes for anyone dissing any proud city, not just NY, like this.

Especially when it has no basis in fact.

But feel free to hate the Yankees all you want, plenty of us here do, too.



;-)

Name's in the book. First punch=yours.

Move along...

Umm NY is one of the most Dem state in the country. Gore won it by 25%. Off the top of my head, I think the only state where Gore did better were Massachusetts and Rhode Island (and DC). If you want to write off NY, you're working on a 2 19 electoral vote stategy.

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