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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:17 PM
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BBV, okay here's a plan
Until we get settled in more "bullet-proof" digs, we are reluctant to our "friends" a chance to sucker-punch us with another "spam" complaint. So, rather than do any mass mailings to even our "opt-in" list, we like to post an announcement and allow all who wish to "pass it along" to other "interested parties" as you see fit.

How about that?



Unauthorized Diebold vote replacement led to TV networks calling race for Bush

If you strip away the partisan rancor over the 2000 election, you are left with the undeniable fact that a presidential candidate conceded the election to his opponent based on a second card (card #3) that mysteriously appeared, subtracted 16,022 votes from Al Gore, and in some still undefined way, added 4,000 erroneous votes to George W. Bush, then, just as mysteriously, disappears.

Now we know that it was the Volusia and Brevard County anomalies that caused TV networks to call the election for Bush. An internal document from CBS, combined with timelines and interviews from Agence France-Presse and internal Diebold memos show that:

- A replacement set of votes was uploaded on the Diebold machines (then called Global Election Systems) in Volusia County about one hour after the original votes.

- The original votes were on “copy 0” of the memory card containing the vote database. The replacement votes were tagged to a “copy 3.”

- According to an internal memo written by Diebold Election Systems Sr. V.P. of Research and Development Talbot Iredale, the second set of votes should not have been done and may have been “unauthorized.”

- In the replacement vote set, totals for all races were correct except for the presidential race.

- According to CBS documents, the erroneous 20,000 votes in Volusia was directly responsible for calling the election for Bush.

- Brevard County, Florida also used Global Election Systems (now Diebold) voting machines. Brevard omitted 4,000 votes for Gore from its tally, which contributed to the decision by the networks to call for Bush.

- The two erroneous county totals came directly from the central tabulating system for the county. The GEMS program is Diebold’s central tabulation software.

One journalist was doing his job correctly that night: Ed Bradley, a CBS correspondent best known for his work on “60 Minutes.” Bradley sounded alarm bells over discrepancies in the data, but no one paid attention to him. CBS also ignored independent data from The AP; had CBS and the other networks used AP data instead of Voter News Service (VNS), they would not have called the election for Bush.

The election was first called by Fox analyst John Ellis, who had earlier conferred with his two cousins, George W. Bush and Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Ellis was privy to the numbers from VNS, and presumably knew the margin that would be required in order to call the election.

During the evening, a 55,000-vote spread evaporated into just hundreds of votes.

Al Gore called George W. Bush around 3:15 a.m. and conceded the election. Between 3:30 and 3:45, he boarded a motorcade to make a public concession. Votes were melting away at a rate of some 5,000 every 15 minutes, and Ed Bradley from CBS was telling everyone in sight that someone needed to check the figures. When Gore was two blocks from Memorial Plaza in Nashville, Tennessee, where he planned to issue a formal concession, word of the disappearing votes reached him.

He chose not to concede: Thus we had a recount in Florida.

If this isn’t disturbing enough, consider these three points:

1) We don’t know if this is an isolated incident. It may have occurred in other locations in smaller, less spectacular totals
2) The errors were correctable because paper ballots existed.
3) The fact that “negative votes” could be applied to a candidate’s total demonstrates such a fundamentally flawed software model that it calls into question the competence and integrity of the programmers, the company and the certification process itself.

According to the memo from Talbot Iredale, there were two uploads from two different cards.

• The votes were uploaded on the same port approxiately 1 hour apart.
• Only one memory card was supposed to have been uploaded.
• “Copy 0” uploaded some votes.
• “Copy 3” replaced the votes from “Copy 0” with its own.
• Iredale believes the second one is the one that caused the problem.
• The “problem”: 16,022 negative votes for Al Gore

I uncovered an 87-page report called “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations prepared for CBS News.”

According to the CBS News report: “These 24,000 votes would have nearly eliminated the 30,000-vote final Bush margin the CBS News Decision Desk has estimated. There would have been no call if these errors had not been in the system.”

Breakdown of the 24,000 votes: <20,000 from Volusia -- 16,022 negative votes for Gore and 4000 erroneous votes for Bush, plus 4000 omitted votes for Gore in Brevard County, which also used GES/Diebold voting machines.[br />
According to the CBS report, “the call for Bush was based entirely on the tabulated county vote” . “There were several data errors that were responsible for that mistake. The most egregious of the data errors has been well documented. Vote reports from Volusia County.”

“The mistakes ... which originated with the counties, were critical,” says the report. “They incorrectly increased Bush’s lead in the tabulated vote from about 27,000 to more than 51,000. Had it not been for these errors, the CBS News call for Bush at 2:17:52 AM would not have been made.”

(more: http://www.blackboxvoting.com/bbv_chapter-11.pdf or http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-11.pdf or http://www.talion.com/bbv_chapter-11.pdf)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:24 PM
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1. Hi david... sounds like a fine plan....
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:38 PM
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2. Sliding off the first page..........
:kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 06:39 PM
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3. I took the liberty of posting a closely related thread over here....
Edited on Thu Oct-23-03 06:42 PM by althecat
I hope you will for give me David. I took the liberty of posting a closely related thread over here....

CLICK HERE


I also thought this subject line might not fully reflect the gravity of this post....
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:15 PM
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4. kick n/t
Tut-tut
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:17 PM
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5. keep it kicked ya'll
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:52 PM
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10. kick
:kick:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:35 PM
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6. Or....Talbot Iredale is providing a "blame the hardware" excuse...
while the real story is covered in detail in Chapter 10. This whole thing reeks of a manual entry/Access edit trick. But if that were even discussed, the GEMS secret would be out of the bag. So he blames the mess on hardware - even though the Card 0/Card 3 story raises questions of its own.

GEMS is the best kept secret (outside of DU and Scoop) of the whole computer election debate.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:40 PM
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8. Sounds like a good plan to me too...
Hope I'm not gonna miss something though ... -C
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:39 PM
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7. David, thisis going to 500+ Dean websites tonight
well, actually as soon as I finish posting THIS
I'm never Getting over this , no matter WHAT Kerry Says
:nuke:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 07:47 PM
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9. Great!
Thanks! Dean needs to be aware of what he could be facing

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
1237 Elon Place
High Point, NC 27263
http://www.plan9.org
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 08:58 PM
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11. Spread the Word
You know it happened in 2002, also.

2004? I don't think so.

Kick!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:40 PM
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12. kick this
read this

enough said?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:44 PM
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13. Unbelievable.
Whats hardest to take is this is the first I've heard of this. If this was happening in reverse the outcry would be deafening.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:07 PM
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14. Disturbing is just not a big enough word to describe this!
No wonder we can't "get over it". We have all suspected it could and would happen again, if we didn't corral it. There is no getting over that sinking feeling that we have no country left if something isn't done about this travesty. Unfortunately, a lot of very powerful and rich people, informed and uninformed people have no wish to change or help to change the direction in which we are heading.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 10:45 PM
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15. kick it again
for the friday morning crowd
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 11:17 PM
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16. Super kick!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 11:38 PM
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17. kick n/t
kick
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 02:15 AM
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18. kick for the early morning crowd...
Just sitting down to watch Friday night World Cup rugby here mind you.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 07:13 AM
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19. Can you imagine
if this all happened in reverse, the outrage would be deafening. This is beyond incredible, but true.
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Mixxster Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:16 AM
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20. Kick
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:33 AM
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21. And I'm SURE it just happened in California, too....
There were SOOOOOO many weird things about that election. Until everyone hits the streets protesting this, it's going to just get more and more insidious with every election.

Thanks for posting this!!

Keeping it :kick::kick::kick::kick::kick: 'ed
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:28 AM
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22. you gotthat right loudsue!
I think it happened here in NC in 2002. I believe it is happening everyplace critical for the repukes that have DREs..... Spread this around!

:bounce:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 10:04 AM
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23. Keep Kicking...
...until everyone on DU has read it!
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 11:36 AM
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24. kick
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 05:01 PM
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25. Too important to let go now
Kick!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 05:21 PM
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26. KICK
and David, when you speak to Bev, please say HI from jeff/nost...

i plan to read chapters 10 and 11 on the train to DC tomorrow...
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:37 PM
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27. Chapters 10 and 11 rock!
Kick!
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