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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:08 PM
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So, the CIA is all set to take the blame for Bush admin hype and lies?
That's what it sounded like to me when I heard about the Senate report on Irag invasion. You have to understand how powerful these thugs are if they out a CIA operative and also set them up to take the fall for an obviously lying President who cost this country the lives of many innocent soldiers for nothing but corporate greed and Israeli Zionist agenda. Folks, this is real scary. There is nowhere to turn in this country to get justice.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:09 PM
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1. Of course they are
They don't give a shit what the administration does. And for some reason, they are happy to take all the blame.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:11 PM
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2. Interesting take...
...and just a plausable as the speculated "war" between the GOP & CIA. They ARE the perfect scapegoat: no names. no faces. no accountability.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:13 PM
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3. That is interesting as I read this is really a bad move for Bush.
No one controls the CIA and they will take him down, in their own way if he trys. Wonder if that is true.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:16 PM
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4. Yes, Izzie! nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:18 PM
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5. All I can say is this is
going to get messy, but out of the view of most of us

Hell I wonder if the check making of a few weeks ago was just the
first move... in that chess game

Lets put it this way, we had one week were we had all going
in our favor, including the outing of Rush as a druggie, the
Plame affair marching ever forwards and somethign else...

That looked like a grand game of chess, and if you play chess
wtiht he CIA, they know where the skeletons are, or they can
make them up if need be.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:19 PM
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7. This is the admin. doing two things the way I see it
1. Trying to deflect blame for they're fuck up that is known as the Iraq war.

2. Pushing back at the CIA for making a big deal about the Plame leak.

I believe the admin. will fail on both accounts.

Number 1 makes them look incompetent any way you slice it and only underscores the fact that we have no business being in Iraq.

Number 2 only pisses the CIA off even more than they are now. That's NOT a good idea. If anyone knows where all the BFEE bodies are buried, it's the CIA.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:19 PM
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6. Sure - never mind
that Bush, Condi, Cheny et al rigged it so they were getting the "unfiltered" info that HADN"T BEEN FULLY ANALYZED by the CIA which would have prevented the more harebrained and suspicious info from reaching the higher levels. They wanted ANYTHING that would bolster their preconceptions - even if it was faulty. This is documented in Sy Hersh's excellent article in this week's New Yorker.

Funny that none of the commentators is mentioning this as Tenet is being set up for the fall.

Waiting to see if Olbermann or the Sabbath Gasbags mention the "stovepipe" system at all.

According to Hersh, some retired CIA people MAY have forged the Niger stuff themselves to "out" the administration for just this practice -- but it backfired due to the late revelation they were forged.

Now the spooks are furious - what will be the blowback on Chimp?
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:36 PM
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8. Great piece by Hersh....
They short circuited the process, took raw data without any knowledgeable analyis straight into Cheney's office (where we all know policy is made.) There's even a name for this process...it's called STOVEPIPING. Read the article! I hope the CIA fights back on this one.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:49 PM
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9. I am sure that Hersh is diverting attention away from the possible real
sources of the disinformaiton: Mossad.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 04:59 PM
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10. Actually it wasn't Mossad, but a counterpart group to OSP
within Sharon's govt. The Bush/Sharon govts are run by the same people.

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 05:05 PM
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11. Thanks for the post and link
Somehow I just knew that Israel had a hand in this because nothing was being pushed in the media to find out the "source" of the bad intelligence. Had it been any other ally, especially France or Germany, this would have been primetime news still going on. The implications of Israel being the source of this bad intelligence, if widely known, might change a lot of people's minds about supporting what Bush did in Iraq. Meanwhile, the media still allows those assertions that Saddam was behind 9/11 and the Bush administration does very little to correct this innuendo. Sure Bush made a statement that it was not true, but how many times did the media publicize that statement?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:03 PM
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12. But more politicians are coming to the aid of the CIA
and forcing the issue back on the table about who is responsible. This isn't going away. Bush is trying to get the CIA to take the fall and they may, or some of them at least, be willing, but too many people see Bush Admins coercion in "tailoring" intelligence and attacking those who gave honest reports like Wilson.

This thing is not going away or being squelched.

Methinks something is going to break soon and Bush is going to come tumbling down.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:06 PM
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13. I, too, feel like the dam is going to break and Bush and his cabal...
are standing right in the middle of the spillway.
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