Is the race down to Clark & Dean?

I want you to look deep inside and ask yourself:

Is it down to just Dean vs. Clark?

Or, is there another candidate who can pick up steam and join them?

It is silly to discuss who's ahead, or behind, when not a single vote has been cast for any of the 9 dwarfs.

:-)

I just wanted to see what's on people's minds right now.

While I agree with your point on waiting...

isn't this a Fox News phrase?

that will continue to be used until the voters begin to wean out the field.

As I recall, it was first used to describe the Democratic field in the 1976 Election, which Jimmy Carter and the Democrats ultimately won.

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I think it is more

Clark vs. Dean vs. Edwards

Clark has been trending downward since he entered the race.

Kerry & Gephardt (and Dean) have been moving upward.

But wishful thinking never hurt.

Don't you work for Dean?????

Then you might as well add Sharpton to the list because they are polling about the same.

Everyone wants to ignore Kuicinich...just take the time to listen to him.

If he can win or not, is not the question...listen to him, read what he has to say...this isn't a popularity contest (although that's what they want us to believe that its become.) NO,it's about ISSUES...that truly affect anyone and everyone who works for a living.

We all do, and all those that read this do...this is not a football game, my team is better than yours.

It's really and truly about our life that's in question here...all we can do is make sure Kuicinich, is heard. That's important, fight for that.

Don't you want that? Or do you want to just hear who the big boys they are throwing at us have to say?

http://www.kucinich.us/

But as much as I like Kucinich, I don't think his policies or ideas would play well with a large majority of Americans.

It sucks, but that is the state of America these days.

or even a large minority, let alone any sort of majority. I admire the love Dennis' folks have for their guy, but let's not be silly about him competing with the big boys.

Then, Jimmy Carter probably wasn't polling much higher than low single digits at this point in '75. ;)

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oh, come on now..

Kucinich may be a bit goofy, but he is a good guy.

But read, investigate, listen to Dennis...you will still vote for Clark...but see what this small minority are talking about.

You must, before you cast your vote...check Kucinich out.

He's not so much mainstream...so that means more than ever the mainstream should be exposed and listen to Kucinich.

Truly!

I've seen him speak

I've read most of his new book (the Prayer for America speech is amazing)

I love the little geek

I just don't think he has any shot of winning

We have for pResident.

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Rep. Dennis Kucinich

Voted YES on HR 2505 Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001. (Voted to ban therapeutic cloning research) (Source: Project Vote-Smart)

http://grassrootsconnection.com/grc_election2004_scr_scnt.htm

"I'm from the Keebler wing of the democratic party"

but on many issues he is indeed. I am sure I will find it impossible to find a candiate I agree with 100% with but Kucinich's vision is simliar to my own.

I want one to be DK. As long as they're squabbling they're having to pick up each others talking points and this is a good thing. They all have to say things which will be difficult to retract and must become a part of their platform. DK adds more to this for me than anyone else. If the third has to be the Koresh Killer....well this is America and there's room for all of us, even those who speak in three letter words, DNC/DLC/GOP/WTC/911/WOT/WMD...etc.

He's not competing in Iowa.

He's not showing up in the polls in New Hampshire.

His national numbers are consistently declining.

By January, he will be decidedly "second-tier"

I see the race mainly between Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, and possible fourth candidate (maybe)

Gep is probably the dumbest of all the candidates running.

That's just what Tony Blankley said the other day, and we know how much he cares about Democrats.

Dean, Clark, Kerry and Edwards are my prediction.

He is 3rd in NH with 14% as of today....
He is on top in a national poll the Quin(whatever)Poll...
He is 2nd in Illinois, and 1st in one of those polls there.

But you sound just like the Right Wing hoped you would....right about now....

If it's the Flip/Flop.....I posted some interesting information on that at the end of Pitt's thread...which, IMHO, actually does capture the facts are they were and are.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=615330&mesg_id=615330

I will include Kerry at a minimum. He has as good of a chance as Clark or Dean. While I think we're just about ready to put a fork in Lieberman, circumstances could change. I'd still count him as a dark horse. Gephardt could come on as well, especially ifn he does well in Iowa.

The others simply aren't going to be President, at least not this time.

will be saying about the Dem nominee, whoever he/she might turned out to be.

We need Joe to keep us sharp and on our toes!

I've been avoiding saying this, but the best thing about having Lieberman around during this phase of the cycle is that he makes a great stand in for Bush, at least on foreign policy and in forshadowing some of the attacks we'll see on the eventual nominee from the GOP.

However, I think Lieberman will withdraw after the early primaries.

We wouldn't want the sheepish American public to be confused by all those people.

Several of these candidates should stay in if only to deliver a message. For example, Kucinich is talking about things that need to be discussed in ways that need to be said. I don't think he'll win, but I haven't ruled out voting for him in the California primary.

An election campaign is about more things than just winning. It's about public discourse. Some candidates should run just to have a forum. They are able to keep ideas and even issues front and center that might otherwise die.

Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, and maybe Edwards before Clark if you base it on the early polls in key states.

I don't think the race is "down to" anybody yet

that's how I voted in the poll. As far as I can tell, it's down to nine people. Four or five if you wanna be all cynical and shit.

an individual or group can, themselves, wish to concentrate on a select group, but that doesn't change the reality that all 9 voices are still viable. Hell, Sharpton could easily beat Bush, even with his "baggage"

When Sharpton drops out, will his votes go to Dean or Clark?
When Gephardt drops out, will his votes go to Dean or Clark?
etc

Or will they go to one of the other candidates?

I find it astounding that some people seem to think their candidate is going to win simply because they're polling in the mid-teens.

It's always been a Dean vs. establishment race, when Clark got in it, the establishment made him their choice.

This is wishful thinking, if I ever saw it.

I think the race will boil down to Dean, Clark, Gephardt, and Kerry.

Gephardt is flying under most non-campaigners' radar right now but he has been very consistent with his message and he has a strong organization on the ground. I think he looks to benefit more from Clark and Lieberman passing on Iowa than anyone else.

He also looks to be ramping up and increasing his share of awareness amongst Democratic voters at just about the right time.

Seems to me that the attack dynamics have changed around: Now it looks like Dean and Gephardt are going to go after one another (since they don't have any competition outside of Kerry in Iowa any longer) and that Clark and Lieberman are going to go after one another (since their mutual strategy of bypassing Iowa places them in direct confrontation).

All this looks to me to leave an opportunity for Kerry to sneak up on everyone.

He's just starting to gain steam again and could catch up to and beat Dean.

As a side note, I'm going back to John Kerry as I was before Clark jumped in. Kerry is taking the blows that the Right Wing attack machine and the press is landing on him MUCH better than I thought that Clark would. In my opinion now, Kerry could probably take Bush better just because of his experience in handling the press and because he has shown by his record to be a man who seeks justice without hesitation. That and he has a proven liberal and pro-environmental record.

That said, it looks like between that Kerry could pull ahead in the coming months. I saw him on CNN a couple of nights ago and he is looking a lot more alive than he was before, more fire in his belly than before.

I don't believe that Clark is ebbing,....I believe that the wishful thinking of the RW, Corporate media and a few who would prefer "their" candidate is feeding the Frenzy. I, however, don't believe in self fulfilling prophecies.....If I did, I would have never graduated from college......

So like the mediawhores and spinmeister say...make it so!

I think its dean kerry and ghep... with a posibility of an edwards surge.

..yet Gephardt is?
What kinda crack are you smoking, boy?

Clark is gaining momentum, not losing it. I feel that he will overtake Dean quite soon. Its actually good for him to stay in the middle right now and not jump up on top, so that he remains as free from Dem attacks as he can. Look whats happening to Dean now.

you never believed Clark was in it....I think you always wanted Dean and Kerry.

Thats what it seems like its coming down to. I'm 100% sure that one of those three will win (although Kerry is lagging far behind the top two).

Let's just crown them both now. We can toss a coin to see who gets the VP slot. :eyes:

I can still put together a picture in my moind where any of five can win.

I think there is still time......for just about anything....

The Right Wing is not quite finished picking our candidate just yet....but it's getting close.

And Someone may be the favorite.

It will look like Clark v. Dean until, as is likely, Clark fails to materialize in the first primaries. His 20 ultra-followers on DU who appear on every thread without fail will be very upset.

Then it will be Someone (likely: Kerry) v. Dean.

If Someone is Gephardt, Dean wins. If Someone is Kerry, it will be tight, given Kerry's deep pockets, and wearying, given his posturing as top anti-Dean attack dog.

If Someone is Hillary, watch out. Fat will fly.