I have to rant about something

There was a thread in GD about some fake rape photos. Okay. They're fake. Accepted.

Only thing is, though, that apparently these rape photos are from a porn. Now, I'm not so naive that I never heard of rape-porn before, but for some reason, today I can't F$&#G STAND IT!

I can't help wondering, why are people doing this? Why are people making these films? Why are people directing them, funing them, promoting and advertising and marketing and distributing them?!?! Why are people turned on by it? To me, it's SICK. I would never condone kiddie porn OR rape porn OR snuff films. At least the users you could say are SICK AND MENTALLY ILL, but the people enabling these SICK PEOPLE?!

I wonder if the people that do use it tell anyone they know about it, and what those people do? I don't think I could just say 'to each his own' and let it be. I really don't. I think I'd probably do something sneaky like wait a few months (so they'd know it wasn't me) then tip off their SO or spouse as well as anyone else around them.

I guess for me personally, I have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to getting your jollies by watching people suffer.

Just had to get that off my chest.

Thanks DU. :)

I love porn but I have a real problem with porn that depicts people getting raped. What I hate even more is porn that depicts the rapee eventually enjoying the experience. :puke:

I prefer my porn actively and willingly consensual, thank you very much.

I don't like seeing people do things, and treat people in ways, that I would not do myself...

seems like sexiness and fun are no longer viable these days :(

there are that I haven't tried (or want to) it doesn't bother me so much when people in porn do things I don't do. I got no problem with anything as long as it is made glaringly obvious from the very beginning that all parties involved are there by choice.

That's the place where I think maybe our opinions intersect. I want everyone in porn to look like they're enjoying themselves - like they're having fun. One of the saddest things I've ever seen was some gay porn where everyone looked bored.

I don't mind seeing "normal" activities that I may not personally want to do, it's the high level of objectification that gets to me. I have, and would, do quite a bit, but I wouldn't ever deliberately give someone discomfort for my own pleasure, especially if the pleasure is coming directly from the discomfort itself

and yes PLEASE at least act like it's fun! As long as I can believe that it actually would be, that's great. Even better is when they really are... I could get more out of a close-up vid of a woman's face while she's climaxing, than full-body shots of someone who is uncomfortable, grossed-out, or in pain, but pretending to like it..

is this a sex thread yet? :silly:

depict the victim as enjoying it.

I wish I could say I can hardly believe that that kind of thing is done. Unfortunately... :(

Glad to see I'm not the only woman here who enjoys porn, and I feel the same way. As long as the two depicted, or three or six or eight, as the case may be, are enjoying themselves and aren't being forced into anything, it's fine. Unfortunately, there do seem to be those out there who enjoy watching a woman raped, thus the market for the type of sleaze those fake photos were taken from.

Violent scenes have no place in the pornographic cinema. None.

If I hear about a "rape" scene in a porno, I will no longer purchase that company's product.

kind of a world we're living in. And I wonder about the women implicated in the abuse of Iraqi prisoners...you would think that they would know better given the abuse of women in this world.

I am glad that I don't have small children that I have to explain these things to!

I have a very bright and inquisitive 14 year old "niece" who is starting to ask more and more questions about politics and the situation in the world. I just know the next time I'm at her house I'm gonna get peppered with questions about those photos of the Iraqi prisoners getting abused. I have no idea what I'm going to say to her. I don't even want to think about trying to explain it to my 5 year old nephew. I'm glad my little brother has to deal with that and am petrified that he might call me and ask for help. Eep. How do you tell a child that some people are just mean without shattering their faith in adults? *sigh*

Some men have wierd ideas about women.

One of their concepts is that unavailable women eg. "frigid", lesbian, married and faithful (MILF) only need a good raping in order to somehow change their personality so that they become sexually uninhibited and hence available.

Which, of course, demonstrates their ineptitude.

The middle ages, it was a bad idea to kill a virgin, hence witches who were destined to be burned at the stake and found to be virgin were raped first.

Hey, you asked.

Don't worry, I'm alerting on this one myself.

anothe rpoint also. The are lots of children here under 18. some very young. I despise censorship but that went over the limit here for me.

To each there own but let use some sense in this place. Stuff like that makes os cannon fodder for the right. Limbaugh will turn that kinda stuff around right on us.

DDQM

Thanks! I was pissed, thanks for the levelheaded advice.

edited now - if there's anything still in there that you would care to point out as contributing to a problem please do so.

I am with you. I can cuss like a sailor but try not too. I am even trying to lay off nicknames for people.

But I am not perfect dagnabit

:)

DDQM

But a good discussion about that industry. There is nothing wrong with that.

DDQM

but is it any different than depictions of murder, torture or other abuse frequently seen in "mainstream" movies?

It helps perpetuate a stereotype about women that they secretly enjoy getting raped. That somehow a good "raping" is what some women need.

This is worse how?

where I've seen someone murdered or tortured in a movie where they were portrayed as having enjoyed it. I certainly can't think of the last time I saw a movie where the victim of torture later married the perpetrator - which I have seen happen on film with rape victims and their rapists.

It's a matter of piling on. The viewer gets desensitized to violence the way they would from a murder or torture scene. And on top of that they get a sexist message about women.

I see your point. It's a compounding of errors. Got it.

When I watch a slasher movie, or a horror movie, there is no attempt made to imply that you should *enjoy* the killing. Sure, some sickos probably do, but most normal people enjoy the scare they get from the flick and that's it.

With these flicks, totally different scenario. It's not implicit but EXPLICIT that you should not just enjoy the torture, but literally get off on it.

I can't imagine how they could be any more different, actually.

I would imagine there are quite a number of movies where the audience enjoys seeing somebody come to harm. "Thelma and Louise?"

The violence in that drama is supposed to be viewed in the context of one of the other characters' having nearly become a victim of the person who is killed. So, I think that example falls apart a little bit.

it seems, especially over the past decade or so, that even most "normal" porn is rape porn, IMO, even with paid actresses. Some of the setups, scenes, and activities are so far removed from anything I, or anyone with an ounce of respect towards women, could consider sexy...

exploitation, discomfort, and humiliation have gotten quite popular, sadly... :evilfrown:

I haven't partaken of the porn market's wares for a few years (married a conservative - yikes!), but I don't remember this being the case when I was a consumer.

Sad sad sad. :(

called "Blow Bangs and Cluster Bombs" that deals with some of this, and its relation to the general moral sense of the country. I should warn you there is some explicit language and descriptions there:

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/blowbangs.htm


this ain't your gandma's porn market anymore :) Finding imagery of people enjoying healthy sexual activity, on a respectable and equal level, is damned near impossible


So you married a conservative? I hope you were you able to de-program him... }(

One of the nicer changes in the industry in the last decade is the increase is porn directed by and marketed to women. It's generally a lot less objectifying. And a lot more fun. :)

There's also a lot of amateur porn out there now that everyone on earth owns a digital camera. That stuff can be fun too because it's usually a couple of people who, while their bodies may not be perfect, their hearts are really in it.

I'm not trying to say there isn't good stuff out there, just that it's a minority compared to all the b.s.

I could never but "porn" on a christmas list, for example, because chances are what I receive would not be enjoyable

woman-produced porn is much much much much better, going all the way back to Candida's Femme

and of course the amateurs, the webcams, etc... :evilgrin:

I just get checken-little about it since it seems that the good stuff is so out-weighed

you have to wade through a lot of crap to get to the good stuff.

BTW, I went and read the article at the link you posted...fascinating. I highly recommend it to everyone else reading this thread.

and depressing, too :evilfrown:

perhaps we need to have an online quality porn directory, so people can share titles and distributors that sane people can actually enjoy :D

Great suggestions! Actually I got some of the women-produced porn back in the 90's, and liked it. Never saw much amatuer stuff, but hey, I'm still young!

Love your description!!!!

while their bodies may not be perfect, their hearts are really in it

:loveya:

wanta get nekkid and bang away in front of a webcam...more power to 'em. It they're all getting off on getting watched that comes through...more of that "fun" thing arcane and I were going on about.

I personally find the whole concept of truly amateur porn fascinating. It's combines two of my great passions...sex and trying to understand human beings. :)

makes all the difference, IMHO. Like you said, their hearts are into it, and that, to me, is the first thing to look for.

GMTA :D

To be fair, he was raised conservative, so some things are more deeply ingrained than others. But to my credit, his whole family thinks he's a liberal democrat now.

:evilgrin:

:toast:

nothing works on conservative men more than a cool librul woman :)

still, it isn't easy to change things that are almost instinctive... even I have to deal with that sometimes, due to my childhood, etc... it's often a difficult journey, and you are quite noble for undertaking it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=38682#46297

There are sick fuckers all over the place..fortunately when they finally out themselves here they get the boot.

How depressing! I loved your contributions, and Linda's as well. That's why I lurve this place - the people!

people really let their personality shine through in their posts. Good in yours and NSMA' case, bad for our twisted freeper friend

sad, and sick

He was extremely REGRESSIVE in matters concerning men's impulses and women's rights to resist them.

wasn't too familiar with the poster so I assumed... shame on... uuhhh... shame on me...


definitely seemed to have some issues, though...

though I wasn't able to read all of them :puke:

:puke:

Your response was brilliant.

post...my response was out of pure rage..a rage I have only felt one other time while posting on this site. Interestingly the other person that inspired that kind of rage in me is also posting on that thread.

It just goes to show how warped people can be in their values system.

Thanks.

In my opinion, that is some sick shit.

But on the other hand, apparently there is a market for it. Some people are simply twisted, from childhood trauma or a conservative upbringing or whatever, this is how they get their jollies. Snuff films, rape porn, S&M fetishes, the whole blending of sex with violence and domination seems to be a peculiar Western European/American phenomenon. For many years the term given to it was "The British Perversions". And it looks like America is following in these footsteps.

Of course given our mass media, flashing out images of sex and violence, love and hate, how can we be suprised that this type of mixed message is reflected in some seriously twisted ways. As a society we are perfectly willing to accept the notion that our mass media has effected the collective self esteem of young women, why can't we accept the fact that it is also messing up our collective sexual mores? It seems obvious to me that if you continually expose juxtapositioned messages of sex and violence to people from the day they are born, well, you are going to wind up with some *unique* cases.

The question is, what to do about it? Do we ban it? I don't think so, for two reasons. First, prohibition has never helped any of societies problems, it simply lends them the air of the taboo, and makes them all more alluring in the eyes of the gullible. Besides, there have been some studies indicating that porn of all stripes acts as a saftey valve, an outlet for some people. I would rather some poor schmuck be acting out his rape fantasies in front of a screen than out on the street.

No, what is needed is to break the violence/sex cycle that currently grips our mass media. However that cannot happen until the people regain the ability to regulate the media. Control of the public airwaves has drifted away from the public, and as we see in the case of the "liberal" media, it isn't a good thing.

So sad to say, we will probably have this garbage around for awhile. Sad, but true.