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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:14 PM
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We call people with doctorate degrees "doctor".
Why do we not call people with masters degrees "master" or, people with bachelor degrees "bachelor"?

Answer now, Dammit!!!
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:15 PM
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1. I demand to be called

GED Dookus, dammit!
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mad_russian Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:17 PM
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2. do you mean physicians specifically or the "doctor of letters" PhD?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:18 PM
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4. Anyone with a PhD.
I had to call all my professors Dr.
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mad_russian Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:21 PM
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6. they're "pfudz" ---PhD.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:17 PM
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3. Graduate studies in fishing lure research...
Master Baitor.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:21 PM
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5. Well, Miss Manners says
...outside of an academic environment, only a medical doctor is customarily called doctor. PhDs are like money, she says--you just assume everyone has one!
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:35 PM
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9. Well, Miss Manners can kiss my almost a Ph.D. butt!
At least I can say that much of learning didn't come from a damned coloring book of the cranial nerves!:hippie:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:42 PM
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11. Miss Manners better not say that to her dentist or veterinarian....
or perhaps she'll be administered an injection where the sun don't shine.... (now that wouldn't be impolite, would it?!!!!)


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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:31 AM
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32. I stand corrected
I was mentally including those fields. I forget y'all can't read my mind!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:43 PM
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13. In many (most?) countries medical doctors are not
considered to have doctoral-level training. Probably a healthy attitude, in that doctors in the US are too often (for their patients' own good) elevated to the status of G.O.D.s
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:20 AM
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19. In many countries, a medical doctor gets a four-year degree, no -
graduate study. If one continues on in education and completes graduate studies, they receive a post-graduate degree and are referred to as "Professor".
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:19 AM
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22. I can only speak for Germany
But here a medical practitioner is usually adressed "Doktor", especially by older persons.
However the number of med school graduates without a doctorate degree is growing. Well at least there is a word other than "Doktor" : "Arzt".
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:45 PM
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14. What does Miss Manners know about Ph.D.?
EOM
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:19 AM
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21. She can go fuck herself.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:23 PM
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7. I have a JD (Juris Doctorate)
Noone calls me doctor. I also got my Masters after my Doctorate. So the legal degree process is flawed!!
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:28 PM
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8. Start demanding it
You are due.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:39 PM
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10. Actually I enjoy being called "Mom"
My parents both had PhDs and neither were ever called doctor.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:06 AM
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16. And why is it that lawyers put "Esq." after their names?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:53 PM
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39. That goes back to medieval England.
Edited on Fri May-14-04 10:53 PM by Spider Jerusalem
An "esquire" was a gentleman; that is, one who owned land, and had the right to bear arms. Esquire was the rank right below knight in the medieval status hierarchy. Entering one of the professions...the law, medicine (NB: NOT surgery. Surgeons were barbers, and NOT considered gentlemen. In the UK today, surgeons are addressed as Mr and not Dr), or the clergy...was generally considered to elevate one to the status of esquire. Its use has been retained by the legal profession in the United States (which the Brits find somewhat amusing).
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:42 PM
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12. I remember from my graduate days ...
... that if you had a Masters, you didn't have to call professors with a PhD, "Doctor".
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:56 PM
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15. In my field, in the US, most PhDs don't want to be called
'doctor' and prefer first-name. The title's only used when they want to exert authority to get something for themselves or a student, especially when dealing with some of the more intractable middle-management megalomaniacs that run rampant in universities and the like. Markedly different in some other countries, where you'd better be calling them "doctor."
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:11 AM
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17. I think in the US it's pretty even that people don't go by Dr.
unless they're a medical doctor (or dentist or vet). We never called our professors Doctor, just professor, or by their first name. None of my friends with doctorates (from engineering to vulcanology to theology, etc.) go by doctor. If they write a paper, or are giving a lecture, then they'll use the Dr. title in the paperwork.

When I worked for the world's foremost consulting company, i worked with a lot of people with Ph.D.s, and they were all on first name basis. Even the ones who actually were medical doctors (yes, some medical doctors leave medical practice for the saner, less litigious world of management consulting).

Seems pretty normal in the US to not want to be called Dr., except for medical profession.

But as you say, in some other countries you DAMN WELL better call them doctor if they have a Ph.D. of any kind.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:15 AM
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20. Sounds like you are getting off easy
I demand that all my students call me Herr Doctor Professor Chairman DUright. :evilgrin:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:19 PM
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34. Well, yeah, but you're a Canadian Mountie,
Edited on Fri May-14-04 08:20 PM by Rabrrrrrr
and thus, being Canadian, are jealous of not being American, and not having that power, and thus you make up for that jealousy and lack of power by pretending to have more authority than you have, and thus oppress your students with your psychotic delusions of grandeur and self-importance. :-)
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:53 PM
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40. Rabrrrrrr, don't make me giggle when I'm drinking beer, please?
It burns my nose and is tough to get out of the keyboard :-)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:06 AM
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23. That's My Experience Too
There only a few pompous asses who want to be called Doctor! My two ways of knowing Ph.D.'s though are as fellow faculty, or in industry. Since we're peers, nobody expects anything but first name basis. But, if any of the folks i know asked to be called Doctor, i think i'd pull them aside and tell them to cool it.
The Professor
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:48 AM
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30. One of those pompous asses is my boss
I work with multiple PhDs to get my research and grants done but the person I work for who has a PhD (who has much less knowledge than many of the other PhDs I work with) it is an unspoken rule that you call him Dr ******.

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:47 AM
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41. I'm still waiting for an MD that I encounter outside of
a medical office (i.e., someone that I don't know is a doctor) to insist that I call him (or her, but what're the odds of that happening?) 'doctor.' Oh, I can't wait.

"Mr...uh...Stoatgobbler. Nice to meet you."

"That's Doctor Stoatgobbler, Mr Gump."

"Actually, that's Doctor Gump, you pompous motherf***er."

As for pompous asses with PhDs, in my experience most of the US variety express it through lovely customs like attacking a grad student's thesis/dissertation at the defense when THEY were a committee member. You know the type, I'm sure....the ones that seem to need to put down or attack grad students to make themselves feel more manly and doctoral. They're out there, and I only hope they're as small a minority in other fields as they are in mine. When I was awarded my degree it came with a rule book that said I could beat the ever-loving youknowwhat out of those slimeballs.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:07 AM
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42. Yeah. In my field
(English) Ph.D.s get called Professor or unemployed; we never call people "Doctor." But if some people prefer it, I suppose I would acquiesce.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:12 AM
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18. What about
a Psyd?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:10 AM
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24. No one is addressing the question, YET I have the answer you seek
You ask, Why do we not call people with master's degrees "Master"?

Simple.

If people were addressed as "master", it would be assumed that they were Jedi.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:14 AM
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25. Some Of Us Are!
However, it only comes to that when you get your third masters degree. The jedi powers are revealed after two, and fully realized after the 3rd. It's pretty cool!

As proof of my powers, let me say, that YOU DO NOT NEED TO QUESTION MY POWERS!
The Professor
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:15 AM
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26. I do not need to question your powers
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:34 AM
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28. See!
It works!
The Professor
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:48 AM
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33. And you'd have to call the degreed ladies "Mistress"
Which has a fine, honorable etymology--it's the sources of "Mrs", "Miss" and "Ms." But giggling might ensue from the less enlightened.


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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:23 AM
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27. Well, I'm getting mine this year in Computing
And I believe I'll be called Doctor primarily in my line of work, which is consulting. Doctor ups the hourly rate you know....
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:37 AM
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29. Will that make me "mistress"
When I finish my degree in December? Hmmm, that'd be one way to get respect from these insolent college kids.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:00 AM
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31. We had a client on our answering service named "Dr. Doktor". I was
waiting for an attorney to present him/herself on our roster as "Lawyer Lawyer".
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 08:21 PM
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35. I think that was a Thomson Twins song back in the 80's.
:7
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:35 PM
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36. "Maestro" would be nice...
Edited on Fri May-14-04 10:39 PM by Hand
For us Master's degree types. Maybe it should be resrticted rto fields where a master's is a terminal degree, like fine arts, where the MFA iis the terminal degree. (FULL DISCLOSURE: I have an MFA; you peons may address me as "Maestro".)
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:36 PM
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Because I refuse to answer to "Flake."
That's what kind of degree I got. For chrissakes, who but an emotionally screwed up fundamentalist Evangelical Christian, majoring in Bible and minoring in English, can gain 60 credits in three years and still not get even an AA?!
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