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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:14 PM
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Ford's Hybrid SUV
Edited on Tue May-18-04 01:19 PM by Independent429
2005 Ford Escape Hybrid

http://www.fordvehicles.com/escapehybrid/home

EPA says it gets 35-40 mpg city and less on the highway. One tank should take you 400-500 miles.

It's supposed to have V6-like acceleration. No word on price yet, but I expect it will be much higher than a regular Escape due to popularity. An extra $2,500 or so would justify the hybrid technology but supply and demand will make it much higher. You should get about $1,500 deduction on federal income taxes and whatever your state gives you.




Off-roading and extensive highway driving will kill fuel economy, but hybrids really shine in stop-and-go city driving. This is an answer for people who like the environment but also want to haul gear around.

interesting?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:16 PM
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1. I'm VERY interested!
I'd like the hauling capability of a small SUV, but dislike the mileage. 35-40 is a lot more palatable.

When it's time to replace the current car, I'll definitely look into this option.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:18 PM
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3. it'll cost a pretty penny
and there's a hellishly long waiting list for them. They should go on sale this summer.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:21 PM
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5. I won't be ready to buy a new car for a couple of years anyway.
The price should be lower, and availability higher by then.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:31 PM
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11. That's what I thought in 2001 on the Prius
Sigh.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:33 PM
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13. The current Prius is a completely different vehicle
from the old one. It's better on many levels.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:36 PM
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16. I know
I have one. But the price and availability didn't go down, was my point.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:33 PM
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Ack! Well...uhhh...I did say "should".
I'm getting a hybrid, regardless, but I'd rather have an SUV if I can get one. But, a Prius or Civic Hybrid would work fine, just not carry as much. I have a sedan now, so I wouldn't be losing that much, really.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:39 PM
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18. The new Prius is bigger than what you drive now, if I recall
It's bigger inside than my 94 Mazda, and it seems like our cars were similar.

The Civic isn't as large, and gets worse mileage, but has a five star safety rating.

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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:42 PM
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23. Really?
I didn't realize it was that large. Nice.

After a couple years paying on the house, I'l be ready for a car. (Unless my current ride gets other ideas...)
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:23 PM
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7. They say only about $2,000 more than the standard one
and you get a $2,000 tax credit that year, along with a $1,500 yearly deduction (though that is being phased out). I'd say you would SAVE money right off the bat.

I'm definitely interested in getting one. I will wait a few years though so they can work out the kinks, and maybe find a way to better use the electric motor on the highway and improve the highway mileage. I haven't seen anywhere where they advertise the highway mileage, a little suspicious.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:33 PM
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14. Where did you get the tax info?
Is the extra deduction because of the SUV deduction? On other hybrids, you get a $1500 one time deduction. It used to be $2000, but Bush started phasing it out.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:36 PM
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17. Bush is an ass-clown
and a tool for big oil. President Kerry will likely return the hybrid tax deductions to Clintonian levels or higher.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:40 PM
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20. Hope so. It was a Gore bill in the first place.
Gore got the hybrid tax break, which is why Bush killed it.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:46 PM
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24. Uh oh.... I read it somewhere, but on this site:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_afv.shtml

It looks like it will be a short-lived incentive anyway, better get it in 2004.

Purchase Year / Maximum Deduction per Vehicle

1992-03 / $2,000
2004 / $1,500
2005 / $1,000
2006 / $500


Plus, the tax credit I heard about was only for electric vehicles and not for hybrids. Oh well. It'll still pay for itself over time.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:27 PM
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9. Add 3K to the base price for the
power plant

Oh and the technology is Firs Gen... they were suposed to come out
this summer but every time we asked the dealer it somehow got delayed

We decided to wait for the Accord, third Gen Hybrid power plant and all that
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:34 PM
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15. I've heard good things about the hybrid Accord too n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:17 PM
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2. And this is the first American car
that is serious about entering the environmentally-friendly car business dominated by Toyota and Honda. There is Toyota technology in that Ford engine.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:20 PM
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4. Well, what about this: 3794 KM with one liter of gas. (ca. 9010 MPG)
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:22 PM
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6. That's FRENCH you TRAITOR!!!!
*shakes fist*

j/k
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wysimdnwyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:25 PM
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8. You should also look at the 2005 Toyota Highlander
http://www.toyota.com/highlander/



While it doesn't list MPG, it does say it will go over 600 miles on a tank. And given Toyota's huge lead in hybrid technology (over everyone except Honda), you'll be assured that most of the bugs have already been resolved.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:40 PM
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19. That looks awesome!
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histohoney Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:29 PM
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10. OHHH
I want one. With spouse,kids,dog and gear sounds great for us. We camp a lot.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:32 PM
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12. I like it!
Also gets you in the HOV lanes. Anybody know how much they cost? $30,000? $40,000? Your first born child?
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:42 PM
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21. no, just your first born's arm and leg
it's a few grand more than a regular one. They haven't released the price yet.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 01:42 PM
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22. Here you go:
Look very nice. I want one!

$24,620 - $31,920 fully loaded
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 03:20 PM
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25. And they said it couldn't be done.
Thanks for the article. Now, if the government REALLY wanted to make a difference, maybe they could help FORD, an American corp., by providing great trade incentives for the non-hybrid SUVS.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:28 PM
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26. Good one! Bush is getting rid of those incentives
instead he increased the incentives for traditional SUV's and created loopholes allowing people to declare H2's as work vehicles. Yep, he's a tool for big oil.

Maybe President Kerry will do something about it or at least reinstate the incentives Clinton/Gore put in.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:41 PM
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27. Are They Just As Dangerous To Small Car Drivers?
Edited on Tue May-18-04 05:41 PM by cryingshame
secondly, though much less important, are they just as dangerous to their drivers and occupants?
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:47 PM
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28. it's pretty small
not as dangerous as Suburban or H2. I imagine it will still roll over. I'm not a fan of SUV's either but a hybrid is better for the environment than regular ones.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:58 PM
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29. I still prefer hybrids with 60MPG ratings... unless...
35-40 MPG is impressive - for a strictly gas powered vehicle.

For a hybrid, this is little better compared to a strictly gas SUV.

For those who need the power and room, I agree this vehicle is a true :thumbsup: and a good start at providing the best of both worlds.
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