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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:50 AM
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So the dust has settled and I'm not married after all.
Thank you everyone for all the well wishes, from both myself and my fiance!

In order for us to be civilly married we would have to have an annulment before our church marriage. Which is a legal and financial ordeal. We're considering pushing up the date of our wedding 6 months but that's still ayear away. Anyway we are investigating domestic partnership to get her on my insurance.

Ironic isn't it - 2 straight kids using the domestic partnership used by gay folks to be as close to being married as posible until now. :)

My girl and I shared some tears (we do really want to be hitched) and then a really great conversation about how much we are committed to eachother. Then we popped the cork on a magnum of wine and toasted Gay Marriage!!!

The real message here is that others have suffered for a long longtime for what we are striving for, may their struggle and ultimate (fragile) success be a light to us and always keep us focused on the goal!

Thanks again DU!!!

:toast:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:54 AM
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1. Your domestic partner benefits will be taxed
just fyi... it's better than not being covered, but it can take a bite out of your income.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:56 AM
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4. Unfortunately I don't see what our options are
Canada's looking so sweet right now :)
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FarmerOak Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:49 AM
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17. Oh, Really?
Have you seen what they call "bacon"?

THAT AIN'T BACON! IT'S HAM!
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:55 AM
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2. What the hell?
Maybe I didn't read close enough, but why do you need an annulment to get married?

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:56 AM
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3. Catholic rules.
n/t
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:57 AM
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5. The RC church recognizes civil marriage so we'd be married twice
they have a ceremony where they will essentially bless the marriage but its not the same.

Alas
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:58 AM
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6. Ah. Catholics. Makes sense now.
Best of luck.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:51 AM
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20. As I said yesterday
the "Blessing of the Marriage " ceremony was almost indistinguishable from the wedding. In our church, which closely mirrors Roman Catholic, it was pretty much up to the couple as to how elaborate or not the ceremony could be. We found it to be fulfilling.

This may not work for you but it's certainly an option.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:18 AM
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25. That's great. Was it a sacramental marriage or a blessing?
Just wondering
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:41 AM
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27. Sacremental.......
enjoyed it very much.

My wife was raised an atheist but spent a lot of time trying to quantify faith....She was very moved by the whole ceremony.

btw: It was in an old Episcopal church with open wooden beams, red brick and very, very "Olde English". We loved that church and the people so much that our son's middle name came from the name of the church "Andrew".
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:05 AM
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7. Sometimes you can get an annulment pretty easily.
Without knowing your circumstances, it's hard to say, but I do have a friend who got an annulment in about 2 weeks, and it did not cost a lot of money. In his case, he had been married before in a non-Catholic ceremony, would mean that he, as a Catholic, did not have a church-recognized marriage, so there was no need for any swearing by both parties that the marriage was based on fraud or coercion or that it was invalid for some other reason.

I don't think a civil wedding would have an effect either way on a church marriage.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:08 AM
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8. Our priest told us it would
so here we are.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:25 AM
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9. Get married in the Methodist Church
They'll marry anybody - you don't need an annulment.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:28 AM
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10. Thanks - we'll consider it....done
unfortunately we're addicted to this nasty Catholic habit (pun intended)
:)
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:35 AM
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11. I guess it variest by the church/priest.
A close friend of mine in Dallas did exactly what you planned to do. They got married at the courthouse one day on their lunch break, and then 6 months later had a wedding in the Catholic Church.

Sorry he's making this difficult for you, and I hope your other option (domestic partner) works out for you for the benefits!
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:44 AM
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14. Thanks - there's a snadg in DP status - we'd have to live together and
share property for at least 12 months - it'd be time for our wedding by then

ARGHH!!!!!!
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:41 AM
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12. Garsh, that sucks.....
So...what? the wedding's off for now?


You know, the big reason why M______ and I got hitched before a judge before the ceremony was so that she could get onto my insurance. Sorry this is such a hassle for you and S_______.

Is it the laws of that particular state? Because Illinois is pretty cool.....hint hint.


Anyhow, sorry to hear, man. Good luck and keep me updated on when and where the ceremony is. I don't want to miss it.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:43 AM
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13. Its purely a Catholic thing
Can I intereset you in my religion RKZ?

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:55 AM
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15. Nope. Sorry.
My religion works just fine for me. I worship Bronson Pinchot, who played "Balky" on "Perfect Strangers." He's the son, Mark Linn-Baker, who played Larry, is the father, and Fred Silverman, ex-head of programming for ABC, is the holy ghost.


Believe me, I'm spiritually fulfilled.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:03 AM
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16. You do not need to tell ME who played Mipos's favorite son, for God's sake
plus everyone knows that Bea Arthur is the son, Betty White is the Father and Rue McClannahan is the Holy Ghost - heretic!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:39 AM
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18. You could go through a civil ceremony to get the benefits, and
Edited on Wed May-19-04 10:41 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
not tell your priest. :evilgrin:

Oh, wait, the priest signs the marriage certificate, doesn't he?

Then you could go to another state, get civilly married, and then go to church after your annulment and get married in your own state.

It's not bigamy if you marry the same person twice, is it?

It would be much simpler in Japan. All you have to do to be legal married is register at the city hall. The religious ceremony has no legal standing, although most couples go through a Shinto ceremony and hold a banquet for the sake of tradition.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:45 AM
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19. But...but....
You mean you've forsaken...



:cry:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:03 AM
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21. Rick Ghastley is a golden calf, a false prophet.
Balkyism is the true way to salvation.

I'm never gonna give it up, never gonna let Him down, never gonna turn around and desert Him.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:10 AM
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23. Doin' songs ain't nothin' but paintin' pictures!
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:32 AM
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26. All cops. Good ones, bad ones.....
The only ones I DON'T hate are the ones that are pushin' up the daisies!


By the way, how's the 6 Abdominal 6 remix coming out?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 12:03 PM
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28. As my software is not working due to needed updates
its on hold. Sorry
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:07 AM
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22. Let me get this straight
You haven't been married before. But if you get married in a civil ceremony to each other, you'd need to get an annulment to marry each other?!?!?! That's the craziest thing I've ever heard of. I guess that's why I hardly ever go to church anymore (I'm a recovering Catholic.)

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:12 AM
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24. They want you to be married in the church - that's all
They frown on "marriages of convenience" just as they frown on cohabitation and sex before marriage.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 12:14 PM
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29. Is there some reason
why you can't have the Catholic ceremony this year instead of next year?
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