Any original citizens

or descendants on board?

I would guess that, given the time, I could track down Native American and possibly even African American ancestors as well. BTW: My ancestor on the Mayflower was John Billington, the first Anglo to be hanged for a crime in the colonies, I'm so proud. ;)

that we are all related.

Genealogy is a hobby of my Dad's, we have been in the St. Louis Area since the 1840's, had an ancestor who fought in the Civil War as a Union Soldier.

i grew up in Dogtown, later moved to the city limits just this side of Richmond Heights. Southwest HS. (heard they closed it) Born on Theodosia near Easton Ave (MLK DR)


Spent 7 yrs in the DC; been in/near Atlanta for 13 years.



:hi:

So effing cool. you're so right (i mean right=left=correct, not right=lower than whale dung!)


howdy from 1 world citizen to another! :toast:

Two in fact, a father and son.

Thank you ancestors!!!

We'll get back our country, I promise!

Thank you ancestors.

One of my cousins did the work, and there are two places in our ancestry that are Cherokee, and one other "Creek". The Creek individual has turned out to be at least 1/2 African.

Ancestry studies are cool.

I heard the Creeks were hospitable to the runaway slaves. Although it is difficult to be sure, the guess is that my great-great-great-grandmother was Creek.

Geneology studies are difficult for African Americans and Native Americans because usually there are no records for either peoples prior to the Civil War.

One of my cousins has been very investigative about this. She looked through matrilinial (sp?) lines. It's very hard to find out about. Some family members didn't want to hear this stuff, but most have accepted it with pride!

Personally, I'm proud to be an all-american mutt!!!

tragic that so much heritage has been lost to us.

i really cry over the great men that have been trampled.



it needs to stop. we need to get out of iraq, & get home to clean our own house; come home to take care of our own country, our own citizens.


sorry for the rant, i just get so goddam angry @ the waste.


Peace, my brother.

The vaults of U.S. history are a charnel house, to be sure. I have been affected by the Kerry campaign's poignant choice of "Let America be America Again" as it's campaign slogan. It is a message of hope, which is all we, as citizens of this seemingly ill-fated republic, have:

Let America Be America Again
Langston Hughes


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Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!

(-Peace-)

tried to pull your leg before i read your 2nd post!


i'll light the peace pipe (REALLY own a replica "hawk pipe"; very cool to break certain irrational laws with!)

it's kind of cool, isn't? makes you appreciate darwin.



besides, mongrels make the cutest pups; aren't we just!




:bounce:

i'd like to have MY country back, thank you!



(just joking, really! :+ )

hello!

hope it doesn't bother you that i'm a jefferson; french & indian. i know it does some.

matter of interest if you don't mind: are most amerind's democrats?


:hi:

Revolutionary war era atleast. My grandmother on my fathers side was a member of the Daughters of the Revolution.

Ancestors on both sides of my family migrated from Wales, Scotland and Germany to South Carolina as indentured servants.

interesting lineage; i believe the french side of the family sprang from a horsethief that emigrated(stowed away) to 'scape the gallows.



i, too, am proud of the scalliwags back there!

the way scots fool around, it's a sure bet you'll find a litte copper in your blood!

Scot's are fine folks (if a bit daft!) my 1st wife was scotch & i met her relatives from the old country. love to drink & fistfight. & hard as HELL to knock down!

:pals:

i believe that's current pc terminology for native american (the term i prefer).

my father was 3/4; mother had a smatter.


i look fairly indian, except for green eyes and fairly wavey hair.

don't know what tribe, my father was glib but inconsistent. probably some illinois tribe; his family lives mostly in/around Marion, IL.

from the Nova Scotia area - my aboriginal ancestors, I mean.

way cool. just interested, & hope not to be rude: do you still live in newf? or our you cajun, maybe? i only ask because i've heard there was a major migration. must have been a tough transition.


i had family o/s baton rouge, but no cajun in my family that i know of.

My family migrated west to Winnipeg, Manitoba two generations ago.

doesn't due to make assumptions.

so, do you ever get american nickels in change?

original citizens of the USA from 1776? Or original settlers of the colonies from Europe?

My earliest ancestor to come to the colonies arrived in Jamestown in 1608...and I have several ancestors who were officers in the Revolution.

So my family tree on this continent goes back a pretty long way

Muskogee were an interesting tribe.


unfortunately, my folks were ashamed of that part of my heritage. i was raised white and have little knowledge of native american culture other than anthro courses.


:hi:

On my mom's I'm Apache (White Mountain) maternal, Tamamaru paternal, on my dad's side I'm Apache (Mescalero) maternal, Yaqui paternal.
I'm reacquainting myself with the spiritual aspect of my people. Last Wednesday I consulted a Medicine Man conserning my spritual path, and took part in a Smoke Ceremony and a blessing. It has been many years since I have done this and it was one of the most cleansing expriences I've had in years.

i admire your conviction and pride.

i'm slightly familiar w/ the smoke ceremony and i'm glad it went well for you.

the family on my mothers side were some of the first english settlers in america. our original ancestor was james brookshaw, of welsh descent, who came over on the 2nd jamestown boat in the late 1600's as an indentured servant. after he had worked off his debt, he married and had his first son. thats when the brookshaw name changed to brookshire. james brookshaw and his sons were the proprietors of a general store, and the brookshires that are his descendents are still involved in the grocery business(if you live in the east texas area, i am sure you have heard of Brookshires supermarkets). they branched out from the jamestown area to tennesee, virginia and south carolina, and were among the first anglo settlers in texas.

i am always getting offers to join the sons of the american revolution and sons of the texas revolution clubs. my mother keeps telling me to join them, as she was involved with them in the past, but i may do it just to piss off my neo-con brother, who is big on things like that because of his leanings. i don't know, i am sort of up in arms about it....

by contrast, i am 3rd generation irish on my fathers side though. his grand father immigrated here in the late 1800's. his father was actually a sax player in lawrence welks band during the 40's. they settled throughout new york, pennsylvania and the dakotas. there are less than a thousand people with my last name in the united states.

Her husband was born in Switzerland.

On my mother's side have an ancestor who fought in the War of 1812 in her mother's family; we've had a great deal of difficulty finding out anything about her father's family. Mom says knowing her dad probably anyone in the family seeing a census person coming up the road headed for the hills.

...except they lived a bit inland. Iroquois.

My European ancestors settled in New York, Pennsylvania, Massachutas, and Virginia as early as the 1600's. I don't know a lot about them or their reasons for coming. One group of them were Pennsylvania Dutch, who were actually German Mennonites.