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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:20 PM
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Star Trek Enterprise: There are no legitimate continuity issues...
Don't argue with me, argue with co-creator and executive producer Brannon Braga and a VERY divided Trek message board...

Braga is tired of hearing fans complain about so-called continuity breaches in the STAR TREK prequel. This according to comments by the exec in the latest issue of the UK's STAR TREK Monthly.
"I totally and completely disagree. It's the dumbest comment in the world and I am so tired of hearing it," he says strongly when asked point-blank about playing fast and loose with TREK continuity, in excerpts available at Sci-Fi Pulse. "What have we done? Give me one good example. There are some picayune things that we have chosen to do. We have not broken the rules, but we have bent rules. But there's nothing that important. It's not like we've stated that Kirk never existed. What have we done?"

Braga continues, challenging fans to point out legitimate breaches in STAR TREK continuity.

http://talk.trekweb.com/articles/2003/08/21/1061438460.html

I'm sure many here will either debate with themselves or here about this issue. But the hardcore Trek fans are raging now:

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB28&Number=1709459&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=all&vc=1

As some there point out - we're talking real continuity issues, not fanon (events fans think are canon.)
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:24 PM
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1. This is the problem with all sacred things
As time goes on various interpretations and focuses change. Some hold to strict old guides. Others hold to the basic message. There will always be those that decry any change.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:24 PM
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2. several breaches

SPOILER ALERT FOR STAR TREK FANS










1. First Contact between humanity and the Borg was caused by Q in the Next Generation.

2. First face to face meeting between Romulans and the Federation was shown in the original series (episode: Balance of Terror)

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 03:39 PM
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3. These have already been debated and debunked
Examples of "fanon"

1.Responding to the perception that Picard had the first encounter with the Borg, writer Michael Susssman said: "There is a detail that seems to be often overlooked or forgotten: the Enterprise-D's encounter in J-25 was not the Federation's initial contact with the Borg," he explained. "It's made quite clear in that the Borg wiped out several Federation and Romulan outposts along the Neutral Zone in the TNG season one finale (appropriately titled 'The Neutral Zone'). This fact seems to have been generally ignored in future episodes, but it is definitively established in 'Q Who?'

2. There have been no face to face meetings between Romulans and the Federation in "Enterprise."
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:14 PM
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10. Oops, I duped you without realizing it!
:spank:

Even "Voyager" ignored the fact as Janeway chides Q for ther introduction, but at least that makes sense. Janeway knowing all of Picard's projects is lame to say the least...

Unfortunately, I must agree in the end: The "Enterprise" episode bringing in the Borg does not necessarily create a continuity problem. A gigantic logic-lapse of a paradox, yes, but not necessarily continuity.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:12 PM
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9. Borg issue first presented as an unknown malignancy in "The Neutral Zone"
Romulan and Federation outposts having been totally gutted, in the manner outlined as being a Borg trait. Even "Q Who" points this out.

Q did NOT (on camera) introduce humanity to the Borg. The Borg were already there. Q DID introduce Picard to the Borg.

If anything Q, HELPED Picard (like he helped Picard in "All Good Things...") by showing him what was to come.

Don't forget, "Relics" tells us that only 5 Federation ships were ever named "Enterprise". How does the garbage scowl in this new prequel, being #6 as it were, compensate? It's not a starship? :eyes:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:15 PM
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12. Easy. The NX-01 isn't a Federation ship...
It is an earthship (pre-federation), just as the Aircraft Carrrier Enterprise and the Space Shuttle Enterprise. :eyes:

See? No continuity issue.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:00 PM
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4. Let me at them!!!

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:03 PM
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5. Go get 'em if you want...
I'm sure any you can think of have already been discussed there. They're hardcore on the trekbbs.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:05 PM
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6. Important question
Where does "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" fit into Trek continuity?

http://homepage.mac.com/evanbaumgardner/iMovieTheater6.html
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:03 PM
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7. You think that's bad, I sat up one Friday night watching
the serial "The Purple Menace" on TNT.

I did note that there was a young Leonard Nimoy in it.

These poor girls probably are still in therapy.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:08 PM
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8. Braga is a moron. I'm tired of the repetitive trash he's made for 15 yrs!
He's not worth my time to point out continuity flaws to a guy who think he's better than Jesus; every TNG-based movie has at least 30 problems relating to past TNG TV adventures, past TNG movies, the Kirk era, and/or even problems with the structure of the movie itself.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:17 PM
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13. We all know about your disdain for Trek...
but if you're going to make such a grand statement as "every TNG-based movie has at least 30 problems relating to past TNG TV adventures, past TNG movies, the Kirk era, and/or even problems with the structure of the movie itself" kindly point them out to us?
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 07:39 PM
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11. There Are Too Many Space/Time Contuity Warps
That hasn't been reported in the past without the benefit of scientific analysis that I'll leave it up to Einstein or Heinelin to explain.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 08:18 PM
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14. If you look at the Trek BBS topic from the original post...
No one has found any "true" continuity issues.
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