Germany stuns the US in women's soccer - 5 people give a shit

Well, mabye 10.

big time.

ok edit:

That was a stupid post , theres alot of ppl that likes soccer and womens soccer. I seen almost all our games, my dad also.

Just because you dont care doesnt give you any right to trash the sport.


Btw you guys never ever again start a thread wondering why you arent getting any ok?

I am married, so obviously I do not have sex any more. But this is a high school game of keep-away. Unwatchable.

I enjoy watching it. So does alot of others.


I bet you think baseball is more watchable

Let the people who care have their fun. Don't do pissing on our parades.

creates short attention spans. And weak bladders.

In protest all American dog owners should rename their German Shepards, "Freedom Shepards". That'll show them!

I can count 30 people immediately connected to me that care- I can count the 40 million people that watched the US vs. China 1999 final. I can count the 10 teams with 20 or more girls each I play soccer against, as well as every other girl's program in the world. So for you to say that is completely self-absorbed and unecessary. You obviously have no respect for these women, I'd love for you to go up against one of them in a game of football. They'd probably pummel you to the ground.

that one guy fell asleep ;-)

The attendance is abysmal. And they are losing money. Repeat. losing money. On the World Cup. Not just the WUSA.

The 25 people who care are losing their shirts.

Would rather watch 11 greasy men tackle eachother down with an oblong shaped ball and grunt in American football instead of watching a real intelligent and physical game like REAL FOOTBALL. Or they'd rather watch men in pinstripes jog around in a diamond, make catches, and throw far with no real intelligence factor necessary. I've played softball. I've played baseball. It's not real hard. You've got your same position, you don't have to switch anything up like you do in soccer. Because most Americans are stupid, they don't want to waste those precious brain cells on a game like football (soccer) which requires somewhat of an intelligence concept.

Being unpopular doesn't make something automatically good.

I said that the game of soccer uses not only physical but mental strength. A lot of people just don't want to invest the time in it. Obviously KFC has not an ounce of appreciation for the game.

but you don't have to slam football and baseball to make soccer look good. All of them have their positive points.

I watch baseball, and ok, yes, I admit to hating football. But I am sick and tired of hearing how "soccer is gay" or soccer has no physical aspect from people who know nothing about soccer. KFC's post set me over the edge.

My experience with soccer discrimination is personal. For 5 years, our girls have fought to have a soccer team permanently established at our school only to be shot down time after time. Though we had interest, the board claimed lack of it and that having a team would distract from the other teams. So excuse me if I have a short fuse for those who don't appreciate the game, when people have the opportunity to play it and watch it, they should take it. For a long time I didn't have the opportunity, and that's why it gets me upset.

Its the most popular hs sport in the US and THE most popular sport around the world

Even the guys are pussies. They grab their leg and go down if someone touches them. Ouch - "you kicked me!!"

Sorry, soccer is boring. Well suited to little girls, but nothing more than a elementary school sport in the US.

I'm not a little girl, I'm a big girl. I play soccer, I foul people and I play hard. It's not a sport for little girls- it's a sport for strong girls. You are so wrong that I can't even begin to form anything remotely coherant to say to you. I am absolutely disgusted.

That is a completely ridiculous and asinine comment. Soccer is boring for those with attention spans the size of fruit flies only. It is extremely difficult to play and excellent to watch.

When you grow up try it again, who knows you might like it

I still dont but I still find this insulting to those like LPFF who play and enjoy it. I liked playing it during gym my freshman year. It was pretty fun, nice people etc, I got a couple of goals. Soccer isnt a wussy sport, its not my sport personally but it is far from that its probably the most popular sport in the world because it is world wide popular. Again I dont enjoy it personally but if she enjoys it let her and if you dont like it, well thats your opinion and you dont need to insult those who enjoy it.

Unwatchable...no sport fits that bill

You're sexist, that's the problem.

"Because most Americans are stupid, they don't want to waste those precious brain cells on a game like football (soccer) which requires somewhat of an intelligence concept"

Have you ever seen an American Football team's playbook? I guarantee you wouldn't be able to understand it. Even if Joe Montana himself tutored you for a week. And while you may have played baseball, you obviously never put any effort into it, because to claim that it is "not hard" is so ridiculous as to be laughable.

In baseball...
You run slower.
There is no contact.
You don't have really have too many plays.
The shape of the game always stays the same (a diamond).

I have nothing against baseball.

As for football, when I watch it, all it seems to be is trying to tackle everyone open and throwing to the person who has the best shot of running up the field, only to find out that he gets knocked down too.

Soccer players push too, without the padding.

In baseball...
You run slower.Only if you don't mind being thrown out, or having the ball get over your head for an extra base hit
There is no contact.So?
You don't have really have too many plays.But, there is always the "game within the game"... lots of strategy and counter strategy, guessing pitches and location, etc.. plus, each player on every play needs to know exactly how the play will play out, and put himself in the right position. The analysts call it "fundamntals", but really.. if you are a second baseman, and there's a runner on third, and a ball is hit into the gap in right-center.. where are you supposed to go?
The shape of the game always stays the same (a diamond).Umm... and the shape of soccer always stays a rectangle.

I have nothing against baseball.Believe it or not, I have nothing against soccer. I just realize that it will never really catch on in America the way other sports have.

If no-one cares explain this..last year the women's under 20 world cup played in Canada drew more people to a soccer game than ever before in Canada (60,000) Canada was in the final of course but still.

Women's soccer has a LONG way to go to catch up to the athleticism and popularity of the men. FLAAAAME away by all means if you think this is a sexist statement, even though it's true. Look at how much more attendance and money the men's World Cup rakes in than the women's. I like watching men's soccer (football) a LOT more, anyway. It's more entertaining. There's a HELL of a lot more athletic competition going on. Now if the original comment was about the men's World Cup, then I'd be pissed...

wtf is wrong with people who have nothing positive to contribute about a subject, but feel a need to say something anyway..

If you find a point, let me know. I'd like to hear it, since this thread really seems....pointless.

They're just trying to convince us it has some sort of relevance.

Sorry, but that was an incredible display of athleticism. It was sport at its best. Does it match the men for pure athleticism? No. So what? The U.S.-German match was one for the ages, no matter the sex of the competitors.

damn. This is so bad. They were looking unstoppable. wish I had caught the game. x(

GO CANADA!

Millions and Millions of people watched that game. Thousands of fans packed the STADIUM (you know, things that are kinda bowl-shaped with angled seating and concession stands?), which probably...PROBABLY... included LOTS of fans of the US team (I roughly counted about 60 or 70 fans at one point). Which, using basic math and logic skills, is more than 5 or 10 people. Kinda get what i'm saying?

(BTW, if you don't like it, don't post a thread about it in the lounge. Go to GD or something...)

baseball, soccer, football. bah

for raw energy, athleticism, ability et al, and not to mention guys beating the living crap out of each other, ill take rugby. (scrummer for life here)

I played amateur rugby and have no respect for those overpadded timeout, out of bounds wussies!!!

as for soccer, it is definitely a good sport. it takes a different athlete to score in soccer than in rugby, but it is BO-RING! too few tackles, not enough scores

i'll give you that.

Too bad it's not that popular here in the US.

There are those who will never get it. I wish they would leave those of us who do alone.

I think I'm done debating unitelligence.

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and its good to see you again, I haven't seen your posts in so long. Always love to read them

And the meds are not working well.

Nothing suicidal, just sort of a life sucks kinda thing.

Hey, the Liberals won in Canada! We'll be moving to where the Libs outnumber the Conzies 72 to 20!

And how have you been?

but it's good to have you back. :)

Went through a long spell of that myself this summer. Glad to see you're better enough to get around once in awhile. Just know you were missed a lot.

I saw the Canadian results and it brightened my day

I've been better since I got back to school with friends. This summer at home sucked. Couldn't get a job for beans in bush's economy, was bored and disconnected and rather depressed.

Peace

yes yes you do. :D

I'll try to cheer up, but not too much so it puts me out of character.

I haven't been the cheeriest person ever either (see my past 200 posts)

I wish I could help.

Molson's Canadian of course.

I am misbehaving by using it to wash down the Zoloft and the propranolol (for migraines: blood pressure med.)

My normal is about 112/70, so this just about puts me in a coma.

Which isn't half bad.

concentration, stamina and precision? Tried to stop a 100 mile-per-hour slap shot from 35 feet lately? Or, how about hitting a 95 MPH fastball? Or, tried to put a 4 inch piece of rubber into a 4'X 6' net, with a highly skilled and heavily padded person in front of it, while skating at 30 MPH on a sheet of ice as 6' tall super-atheletes try to knock you on your ass? Sorry, but I gotta go with the original poster here... soccer is an ok sport, but face it.. in America it is a non-issue. Name me one soccer league that generates even half of what the NFL generates. And whoever claimed that today's game was watched by millions of Americans, please provide a link to the Nielson report which verifies that. Because I'd bet my next paycheck that the game didn't draw even a fraction of the viewers that any of the football games, or baseball playoffs did.

40 million people tuned in to the 99 world cup.

Why is the questionable taste of the American Public that arbiter of what is and what isn't sport? The slap shot is a nice image, but try running that game with no pads. As for the fastball, you take a look at Boog Powell or Luis Tiant in their prime, and tell me a belly is your image of being in shape.

Sorry dude. Hang with some of my kid's friends. They'd kick the ass of most other jocks I've seen, and then run for an hour nonstop. I've reffed one or two games when they were in the kid's leagues and I almost had a coronary.

Sport is athletic competition, and if you think not, I suggest going for a run with the soccer team for a half.

"If Money was good, Bush would be GOD."
Please tell me you don't really see the correlation between generated revenue and popularity? If I remember correctly, the original post said nothing, what-so-ever about soccer's status as a soprt. He merely pointed out that it is not a succesful spectator sport in America.

"The slap shot is a nice image, but try running that game with no pads."
That's been done. Of course, nowadays in the NHL, the average player is about a foot taller, around 75 pounds heavier, and they spend the entire off-season in the gym. The average NHL player has about a 4% body fat figure. If they tried to play without protection, people would literally be killed on a nightly basis.And don't even try to insinute that the soccer ball can be kicked as hard as a puck can be hit. Al MacInnis' shot has been clocked at 104MPH. Name me one soccer player who can shoot that hard.

"Sport is athletic competition, and if you think not, I suggest going for a run with the soccer team for a half."
Newsflash.. I played soccer, hockey and baseball in high school, then hockey in college. The soccer season was like an off-seson for me. And, again.. the original poster never said soccer wasn't a sport. Hell, I never even said that. But it is, and always will be, a dismal failure as a spectator sport in America.

104 mph translates as...hang on, roughly 160 km/h? Well, you're right, that is quite hard, but don't forget, ice hockey players use a stick, with their hand. You can hardly compare that to using your foot to shoot an item that's also much bigger than a puck, and contains a lot of air.

Anyway, as regards hard shots in football: Roberto Carlos, who plays for Real Madrid, is famous for having an insanely hard shot. If memory serves one of his shots were measured to 138 km/h in 1999.
I suppose, at the highest level, anyone would be able to knock the ball at least something like 115 km/h. My personal best (I've had my shot measured for speed just once) is 104 km/h.

But you can't really compare it, also since being able to place a shot really well is at least as important as shooting hard. To use the same logic: Show me a single ice hockey player that would be able to send a high, curved pass, from the wing, 25 metres, perfectly hit the forehead of a team-mate, who would continue to steer said puck into the bottom hand corner out of reach of the goalie with two or three opponents pulling, pushing, elbowing and kicking him. Can't really compare, can you? I should add that I enjoy ice hockey as much as anyone, but it's still not the same thing. ;)

Sure, there are thousands of girls who can run around for an hour chasing a ball. Actually, millions. So what?

Try dunking over Shaq. There may be 2 people alive who can do it. People will pay to watch the possibility.

Probably 500 million girls can run around a soccer field for a couple of hours, kicking a ball around. Will the ball go in? Stay tuned.

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I dare you to juggle a ball for 5 touches.

I dare you to stop a penalty kick

I dare you to RUN for 45 minutes stragiht, get a short break and do it again.

I dare you to *try* to head a ball into the net

I dare you to Kick a bannana ball

I dare you to try and get by a defender by yourself

I dare you to take a ball from Mia Hamm.

I'm sorry if your patience doesn't allow you 4 seconds to go without scoring.

I dare you to juggle a ball for 5 touches.
Done it.
I dare you to sop a penalty kick
Done it
I dare you to RUN for 45 minutes stragiht, get a short break and do it again.
Calling bullshit here. I've played and watched soccer. Nobody on the field runs for the entire game. Lots of people standing around, waiting for play to get to their zone. Occasionally a quick burst to try to get into the open for a pass...
I dare you to *try* to head a ball into the net
I dare you to try to redirect a shot, which is going so fast you can barely see it, with a 3 inch wide stick blade.

I dare you to try and get by a defender by yourself
I dare you to try to get past Kevin Stevens yourself
I dare you to take a ball from Mia Hamm.
I dare you to take a puck from Peter Forsberg
I'm sorry if your patience doesn't allow you 4 seconds to go without scoring.
And I'm sorry that your ego is so fragile that you can't take a little objective criticism of your sport.

If we don't take your post seriously. I know for a fact youngred is a huge hockey fan, we're not debating hockey's value here. The original poster gave no "objective criticism". He gave a crappy little one liner that begged for him to be flamed.

Oh and "opiate69"... if you want to be taken a little MORE seriously, try a new user name. :eyes:

"Oh and "opiate69"... if you want to be taken a little MORE seriously, try a new user name."

What, exactly, do you suppose my user name means? And please, tell me what the hell it has to do with the subject at hand?

In case you didn't know my FAVORITE sport is hockey, and I like soccer a lot, but not nearly as much. Hockey is by far harder, but how that has anything at all to do with Soccer not being hard I'll never know. That's such a bullshit line of reasoning as to be ridiculous.

I played Soccer, Hockey and Tennis. so its One of my sports.

several posters were trying to imply that soccer was one of the toughest, most strenuous sports. My diatribes extolling the nuances of hockey was merely an attempt to show them that there are, indeed, other sports which require more skill, precision and intelligence.

and no they didn't say the most, they said one of the most. And certainly requires more athleticism and has more interest than the idiotic start to the thread would imply. No one is denying the Hockey is a tough sport (in fact I'd say the hardest), nor that there are not sports tougher than hockey. Soccer is harder than basketball, does that make basketball less of a sport? Certainly not.

Really.

Shaq was born tall ...nature that's it no skill no talent just height gimme a break. You know how percise the pros can kick a ball they can curve them drop them it's amazing. Basketballl? Now there's a boring sport with no talent losers playing.

some people are too sensitive.

The U.S. played its heart out, pushing the attack constantly, and the German defense responded amazingly. I have been to some incredible games over the years, but this match is as good as it gets, regardless of the sport.

Anyway, if you don't like soccer. Fine. Whatever.

Not the best I've ever seen, but close. I'm upset at the fact that people can be so ignorant about it.

I love Premier League football -- now that's *real* football. And the U.S. women's team is awesome, and it's a thrill to see them play.

I do like baseball -- the real psychological, "interior" part of the game is between the pitcher and batter, which can be quite fun at times, if a little slow.

But I gave up on American football years ago -- it's such a game of force, speed and predetermined plays that it no longer has any appeal to me.

With world football ("soccer"), there is no script for the ball, and the improvisational skills required are prodigious, not to mention stamina. It's about as pure a sport as they come!

:hi:

Why don't you just go and become a Republican?

Let me explain just how wrong you are about the only truly global team sport:

1. "it's gay"
Gay? (I assume that you're trying to express, in a quite disgustingly derogatory homophobic manner, that football isn't a 'man's game'). Try telling to Vinnie Jones, the actor ("60 seconds", "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels") a previous hard-man with Wimbledon, Leeds, Chelsea and Sheffield United, that football is a sport for chickens. Footballers may *look* less muscular than the gorillas playing (a) American football and (b) baseball, but keep in mind that (a) are polstered with half a metre of protective pads (just like wussies), and (b) are beer-bellied and unable to run for more than 10 yards in one go. Football is played with a couple of thin shinpads as the only protection, unlike that nonsense which looks like a bastardised version of rugby. Now *that* is a sport for wimps.

2. "little skill"
Claiming that playing football at a high level requires little skill is plain absurd. Apart from that there's little to say. Football is played by more than 1,5 billion people around the world, so imagine the level of competition (how many play American football or baseball? 30-35 million? Peanuts!). Trust me when I tell you that knocking an accurate pass with your foot to a team-mate thirty meters away with 10 opponents doing everything in their power to prevent you from doing it is no easy feat. I should know - I've played footy for 16 years. Being a good footballer requires excellent ball control with both feet, head, good vision, delicate precision, excellent stamina (they run for 90 minutes, you know), tactical understanding, muscle and the ability to get put the ball in the net. If you've *ever* tried playing the game, maybe you'd appreciate just how difficult that is, even at the lowest level. But I'm guessing you've never even watched a full game. The ladies playing in the World Cup at the moment would run all over you if you played against them. Heck, I'm a crap player, but most probably you'd never even get the ball off me.

3. "boring", "no tactics"
If you conclude that 22 highly-trained athletes involved in a game whose tactical aspects is reminiscent of chess, where there are literally hundreds of different tactical setups and styles of playing and the action is end-to-end without those ridiculous commercial breaks occuring every five seconds in baseball or American football, to be boring and lacking tactics, you need a coffee break, mate...

4. "no physical contact"
Try having a ninety-minute match yourself before you say that, friend...I don't know about yourself, but as I say I've played the game for almost two decades and could go on all day about my two broken collarbones, my operation for ligament injury, how I have broken my nose twice, both times while challenging for a ball in the air (and getting a close encounter with an elbow instead), the time when I broke three of my fingers as an opponent stepped on my hand...about the 15 stitches I've had to do on my shin after some bloke lunged in at me....or I could tell you about the match I played last Tuesday, from which I still have a 10 centimeter long black and red mark on the back of my leg. And that's in division EIGHT, mate (not exactly world class)! Trust me, you have no clue what you're on about.

Reading like this is like watching Dubya preaching about compassion and solidarity: It's ridiculous, since it's painfully clear he has no clue what he's talking about.

So enjoy your American football, baseball or whatever mind-numbing sport fuelled with commercial breaks, anabolic players and no speed, aesthetic beauty or excitement you prefer for all I care. Man, if you don't understand the supreme beauty of football it's your loss at the end of the day. Your problem is that you're opinionated without having the first f*cking clue what you're talking about. I thought that kind of behaviour was restricted to Republicans...

For my own part I'll never understand the attraction of watching slightly overweight men in caps knock a ball around and stand more or less still for half a day, but hey!, that's just me...

Too many insults being hurled and personal attacks to clean
up .

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